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Old April 8th, 2013, 11:52 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Underbore Barrel Suggestions

Hello,

I'm currently running three Tippmann a5's, three 98 Customs, and an ACT Custom with RT.

I intend on swapping a couple of these beauties out for an X7 Phenom, and I was hoping some of you might point me in the right direction.

I'm looking for and underbored two-piece barrel system that is lightweight, with a 4-5 inch neck, between 12 and 14 inches overall with minimal porting. Of course, it has to fit an X7, but it would be great I it could fit an A5 and/or a 98 as well.

The other dynamic is that I have interest in the Apex2. I play woodsball exclusively, and need a good all round barrel that fits this criteria.

Any suggestions?

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Kendall

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Old April 8th, 2013, 11:59 AM   #2 (permalink)
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-Deadlywind is now selling barrels with barrel backs that are different threads, but they're a little on the pricey side. (best barrel i've used, though)
-CP makes a great 2 piece kit as well. Again, you'd need separate back parts because they're using different threads.
-J&J kits are also quite nice. VERY nice, in fact.
- you could also have your stock barrels bored out so that they use freak inserts. I think it's around $20 a barrel.

Since your markers use different threads, you could always buy a thread converter, but they're not good if your'e looking to under bore.
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Old April 8th, 2013, 05:02 PM   #3 (permalink)
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why bother underboring a Tippmann?
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Old April 8th, 2013, 07:22 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Flasc makes the kit for you the barrels are double threaded so you can make them however you want with as much or as little porting as you want and they are Apex compatible. One other thing that is kind of neat is that Flasc is all about woodsball and milsim and the barrels are in a flat black finish and not a high gloss reflective finish. It's a small detail but something I've had a few woodsball guys point out that they liked about my Flasc barrels.
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Old April 10th, 2013, 11:43 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I should probably know this, but does the a5 and x7 phenom take the same barrel? It's essential that the barrel fits the 98 custom, and to be honest it's not the end of the world if it doesn't fit the a5 either if in fact the threads are different between the a5 an x7 phenom.

I'm struggling to find any top tier two piece kits that will thread an apex2. When I say apex2, I'm referring to the thread on barrel tip only. I she no interest in the apex2 bt barrel itself.

I hear a lot of good things about custom parts.. But is this out of the question for what I want?

@riddler; I'm looking to maximize efficiency and consistency. Can you tell me why it's not effective or relevant to a tippmann?

@crawdaddy; thanks for the tip. I'm a little skeptical of falsc as ice never heard of them..
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Old April 10th, 2013, 01:36 PM   #6 (permalink)
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@riddler; I'm looking to maximize efficiency and consistency. Can you tell me why it's not effective or relevant to a tippmann?
Well, it's open bolt, so you don't have roll-outs to worry about. And it's a Tippmann, so I don't know that I'd personally spend any amount of money on "upgrades" like barrel kits.

With regard to consistency, underboring is exactly the same as overboring - all that is required is a CONSISTENT bore match.

With regard to efficiency, you're right - an underbore does result in more shots per fill than an overbore. If this is a big deal to you, a single, small-bore barrel solution may help you stretch the tank, but I'd avoid Tippmann-threaded kits due to poor cost/value and the Freak due to a lip when the ball has to transition from the barrel back into the insert (this only applies to Tippmann and AGD twist lock Freak barrels due to the nature of the 'threads').
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Old April 11th, 2013, 08:36 AM   #7 (permalink)
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But is this out of the question for what I want?
What do you want? If you just want to replace the absolutely awful stock Tippmann barrels with something better than anything would be an upgrade. I'd agree with Riddler that a single piece barrel would be the way to go. I do like the Flasc stuff because they are nice barrels and the ability to customize how the barrel looks is fun but at the end of the day single piece barrels are usually how I roll and for my money the makers of the best single piece barrels (and Apex compatible!) is Lapco. They've been around since almost the beginning of paintball and the amount of finish and polish on their barrels puts everything else to shame. The CP stuff is alright it is low cost and holds up well which is usually why most kids slap CP stuff on their markers right out of the box.
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Old April 11th, 2013, 08:37 AM   #8 (permalink)
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yea. buy a J&J or CP barrel and you'll love the difference it makes.
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Old April 11th, 2013, 11:23 AM   #9 (permalink)
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why bother underboring a Tippmann?
im in this same boat, one of the larger issues is the tippmann breach itself. they are HUGE, tippmann bores them to something in the range of .75 just to make sure that any paint you put through it will still be able to fire. so if you are underboring to something like a .679 you have almost a .05 inch gap to jump the paintball up to get into the barrel. doesnt sound like much but when the paintball is traveling at speed going into that barrel it can cause some large issues

that .75 breach is just a guess as well. I have never actually measured one and it could be much worse

but at any rate you are looking to spend roughly the same amount on a barrel kit as the 98 can be purchased for

the only way i think this is a good idea is if you go with the DW kit because then at least you can buy a new back to go onto other markers as well
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Old April 11th, 2013, 11:54 AM   #10 (permalink)
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What I want is

An underbored two piece barrel with an available thread for an apex2.

Underbored to increase efficiency and consistency.

Two piece to interchange barrel lengths and add-ons like the apex2.

And threaded to fit an apex 2

Black or matte black to look mil sim

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Does J&J support an apex2?

Overall Flasc provides everything I need, barring the fact that I'd prefer a longer primary barrel of 4ish inches rather than the 2.5" that comes on the micro bore system. Is there anyone with a longer primary barrel size larger that also fits an apex2?


@trbo
Did this large chamber cause serious problems going to an underbored barrel? Ie. paint breaks in the chamber during the transition into the barrel?

By the way; thanks guys for the insight
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Old April 11th, 2013, 12:09 PM   #11 (permalink)
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J&J does have an Apex option now. If you want milsim Flasc is the best barrel around and you can get longer barrel backs from them just poke around on their site admittedly their site needs some work.
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Old April 11th, 2013, 01:55 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Did this large chamber cause serious problems going to an underbored barrel? Ie. paint breaks in the chamber during the transition into the barrel?

By the way; thanks guys for the insight
yes, i have seen it happen. rare but it was always when someone is trying to do exactly what you are doing. the barrel design does play a roll in it but there is no clear way of knowing weather you will or will not have issues

in all honesty if you are looking for better efficiency and consistency your solution is not a better barrel but a better marker, sure a barrel can help both but what you are doing is like spending $5000 to take the back seats out of a honda civic to make it go faster, sure it will help a little but if you really just want to go faster there are plenty of cars out there that can go faster than a civic and still have back seats.

not to mention I have never seen the barrel step problem on other markers so once you switch you are also eliminating that potential issue as well even if you still want to get an underbore barrel
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Old April 11th, 2013, 09:52 PM   #13 (permalink)
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So with this large chamber to small bore match, do you have a guess as to what is TOO underbored? Should I meet in the middle?

I understand what you're saying, and i subscribe to the theory that a paintball gun was never intended to be Milsim, because paintball guns aren't real guns. But I have real guns.. And I love the feel of a stock, shroud and foregrip. I love tippmann guns. I love taking them apart and building them back together. I've been a tippmann guy ever since I replaced my spyder classic. So if I pick up a crossover or an ego or whatever.. It's always going to be secondary to the gun I love. I've never had a tippmann fail me. And any situation over the years where I had to run off field for a fix, I was able to do it and get back before the game was over.

I'm pretty well over the non essential esthetic "upgrades" that mil sim players want, and I'm attempting to improve ther performance of my marker.

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unfortunately, there's not much you can do to make a tippman better. Way back in the early 2000's, there was a professional team who had crazy electro-pneumatic tippmans. Those kits are nearly impossible to find anymore though.
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Old April 12th, 2013, 12:19 PM   #15 (permalink)
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ya ^^ theres the problem. they are blowbacks and will always be blowbacks and so they will always preform like blowbacks

if you like the milsim side, why not look into something like the TM-7? you can keep the milsim look but also get the performance gains of switching to a mid range marker

but if you are intent on keeping the 98 and intent on being able to bore. While expensive, I think a kit is going to be your best bet. you can underbore and if it turns into an issue where you are clipping paintballs going into the barrel you can always swap out for a larger bore and try again

On one side note though, I had a friend that was almost in the exact same situation you are in, he was heavy into milsim but was looking for more performance. I gave him my mini to use for a day and after a few games he did not want to put it down. it was the complete opposite of what he usually shot but it was so light and kicked so much less than his 98 he loved it. So my suggestion for you is before ruling out the performance minded markers, go shoot a few and try to play a few games with one if possible.
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When you say mini, are you referring to a mini mag? That's one gun I've always wanted.
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No, the Invert/Empire Mini
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When you say mini, are you referring to a mini mag? That's one gun I've always wanted.
no, but the automag/minimag are still fantastic markers.
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Old April 13th, 2013, 06:47 AM   #19 (permalink)
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The Phenom and Crossover are blowforwards like a Mini Mag.
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