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Old June 18th, 2005, 01:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Vl Orion Valve Problem

I Just bought another Orion. Now i have 2 P.O.S. Orions. This new one has the same problem like the old one, " cant adjust velocity ". No matter how good i clean the gun and barrel, and adjust the valve, the ball flies everywhere. I dont know whats wrong. ive tried shooting expensive and cheap ammo, and it still flies all over the place. Can a ORION EXPERT TELL ME WHAT TO DO?
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Old June 18th, 2005, 09:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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id save up some more cash and buy an imagine.
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Old June 20th, 2005, 04:11 PM   #3 (permalink)
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buy a new barrel the accuracy always sucks with the stock barrels
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Old June 22nd, 2005, 04:13 PM   #4 (permalink)
 
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Buy A Better Marker, I wouldnt waste money with a 50 dollar aftermarket barrel on a 50 dollar gun.
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Old June 22nd, 2005, 07:58 PM   #5 (permalink)
 
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marsullus is right, you just spent 100 bucks on two guns and neither of them work. Get an imagine or save up and get something like a bko. also, its called paint, not ammo. AMmo comes out of real guns
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Old June 22nd, 2005, 09:05 PM   #6 (permalink)
 
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Also ifn youre playing woods ball id highly reccomend a tippmann 98 custom or Pro/Carbine, check out the ones in my sig.
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Old June 22nd, 2005, 09:49 PM   #7 (permalink)
 
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hmm, either buy a new gun, or buy a $5 aftermarket barrel off ebay. an orion is a VERY simple blowback. if you can't get it working, go to a more experienced guy on a field to help you out.
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Old June 22nd, 2005, 11:09 PM   #8 (permalink)
 
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i would try buyig a 3 orion.. maybe it will be better... lol.. save up and get a good marker... how many time are you going to buy crap then complaing becouse it stinks...
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Old June 23rd, 2005, 12:19 AM   #9 (permalink)
 
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the velocity should be on the outside, you dont need to mess with the valve or anything... its a knob or screw on the back of the gun right below the bolt. turning clockwise makes velocity go up, and counterclockwise makes it go down.
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Old June 23rd, 2005, 08:26 PM   #10 (permalink)
 
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you can easily F up your marker messing with the valve.
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Old June 23rd, 2005, 11:17 PM   #11 (permalink)
 
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um... no, it's easy to damage the valve if you say... use a screwdriver to remove it, or install the valve backwards, or take a big chunk out of the cup seal or seal seat (the little plastic/metal hat shaped thing, and the lip it sits on when the valve is assembled)
also, some guns have adjustable valves, like the VM-68.
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Old June 24th, 2005, 10:24 AM   #12 (permalink)
 
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The Orion Dosent have one for starters.

a cheap aftermarket barrel wont solve your problem.
Yes, ive seen the valve get screwed up. Theres a screw in there and if you miss the hole the hammer will strike the bolt, bending it and the valve pin wont move freely, so your marker wont work.

Thanks for the advice though.
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Old June 27th, 2005, 07:55 PM   #13 (permalink)
 
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You sure don't give us much info, have you fired them across a chrono? High velocity can make them curve all over too.
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Old June 27th, 2005, 08:39 PM   #14 (permalink)
 
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buy a better gun.
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Old June 28th, 2005, 01:21 AM   #15 (permalink)
 
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um... you kids are major morons... he wants to fix what he has, not buy something new. he came here to ask for help, and you're basically insulting his gun. that's just not right....
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Old June 28th, 2005, 09:52 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Spyderbator, the valve on the Orion isn't adjustible, but there's a velocity screw on the back of the gun. Is this what you mean?

Make sure the main spring (in the rear of the lower tube) is properly seated in the adjuster cap and striker, and make sure the rubber thing is around the spring.

As for curving balls, I think it's a side effect of the gun. A Spyder J&J barrel made a difference on my Triad (essentially the same as the Orion), but I'm starting to think the stock bolts on ViewLoader markers, light as they are, are really bad. There's not much you can do since there's no ridiculous venturi to remove.

I made a Delrin bolt on a lathe and got 30fps more velocity. I'm a horrible machinist, so if my crappy bolt outperforms the stock one there must be a problem.

Unfortunately, no one makes aftermarket bolts for VL markers (VL makes a Delrin bolt for $30, but I'm not spending that), and Spyder bolts won't work.

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um... you kids are major morons... he wants to fix what he has, not buy something new. he came here to ask for help, and you're basically insulting his gun. that's just not right....
Paintball, what a welcoming sport! Paintball, where your worth as a person is totally dependent on how much you spent on your gun! Paintball, where form is more important than function! Welcome to being insulted by people who can't even spell! Welcome to Paintball! What a great sport!

If that didn't make sense to some of you, this might:

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Old June 28th, 2005, 01:51 PM   #17 (permalink)
 
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um... you kids are major morons... he wants to fix what he has, not buy something new. he came here to ask for help, and you're basically insulting his gun. that's just not right....
Whats your problem? Im not insulting his marker, My first was a Brass Eagle so shut up. You can adjust the velocity with an allen wrench, but his marker isnt as good as a spyder or a Tippmann.

Instead of spending 50 dollars on a GOOD barrel, he can save up for a new marker that he will be happier with.
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Old June 28th, 2005, 04:27 PM   #18 (permalink)
 
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...or he can get a barrel off ebay or a paintball shop bargain bin for $5-10. and any marker is as good as any other, if you know how to use it, take care of it, and adjust it properly (sometimes involves some cutting/grinding, but it's all good)

and I have the right to talk as much as anyone else does... so no telling me, or anyone else on here to shut up unless they're flaming.. in which case you tell a mod. What if someone said to you "hey, your carbine isn't worth the cost of getting it to work right (god forbid that was possible...) so go get a new one."?
you wouldn't feel very good now, would you? I'm just saying that it's not a nice thing to do. this place is for new players... it's not somewhere to get new players to buy more expensive guns..
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Old June 28th, 2005, 08:58 PM   #19 (permalink)
 
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im just saying in the future, maybe not near, a tippmann will be a good marker for him.

(and an ion instead of my tippmanns for me )
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Old June 29th, 2005, 09:18 PM   #20 (permalink)
 
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and any marker is as good as any other,
so you're saying that a blade is the same quality and as a tippmann, or a triad is the same quality or as good as a wgp cocker?
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Old June 29th, 2005, 09:22 PM   #21 (permalink)
 
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so you're saying that a blade is the same quality and as a tippmann, or a triad is the same quality or as good as a wgp cocker?
wow you're smart. quote the whole statement, jackass

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and any marker is as good as any other, if you know how to use it, take care of it, and adjust it properly

...dumbass
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Old June 29th, 2005, 09:35 PM   #22 (permalink)
 
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ok jackass, so you're saying a well adjusted brass eagle thats taken care of is gonna be as good as a well adjusted taken care of karni? you my friend are an idiot
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Old June 29th, 2005, 09:42 PM   #23 (permalink)
 
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uh huh... my stingray is over 10 years old now, and still works.
also, APG did a test when it was new. they took a shot at it with a .22, and it kept working. the singray is a hella robust gun.

also, I can kick your ass with it
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Old June 29th, 2005, 09:46 PM   #24 (permalink)
 
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i love how kids run there mouths on the internet, next time your in georgia look me up and we'll go 1 on 1, you can use your stingray, i'll even use a talon so you dont get hurt
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Old June 29th, 2005, 09:51 PM   #25 (permalink)
 
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how many months have you been playing? I'm not no newb, and I've played my share of games over the past decade or so.
and I'll play pump on you... I'll use my BE king cobra
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