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Old November 16th, 2008, 11:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Exclamation attn matrix owners! need opinions/help

ok so i went out and played yesterday and i was having some issues with my dm6 that i can not figure out what is going on,

so it started off the day just fine, seen after it developed what seemed to be FSDO, but the problem was it would sit for 10 seconds then have horrable FSDO, it would be up to speed after 5 balls or so, but then every time it sat for 10 seconds and i started firing again the FSDO would be worse, then it got to the point that it wasnt firing, the bolt seemed to move the ball out of the breach but it wouldnt be putting any air behind it.

Every once in a while at this point it would fire one ball fine (which would then break in the barrel but push the other 5 in front of it out)

so i THINK what was going on, is the bolt was not going forward far enoufgh to bring the high pressure air behind the ball, before anyone askes, yes i tryed a new battery and lubed the bolt. So has anyone else had something like this happen? i tryed adjusting the LPR but that didnt seem to do anything to it. i would come bak in, mess with it a little and then it would seem to work fine, go out for another game and after about a pod of paint through it it wouldd do it all over again. like the dwell was being turned down as i shot

so im thinking either the LPR, the HPR or maybe the noid?

any ideas? i took the lpr apart yesterday, didnt seem to do much, any i have yet to take the hpr apart.

thanks for any help as i am lost
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Old November 17th, 2008, 12:41 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I HAVE seen that before. I will try to get ahold of my friend, his PM6 had exactly that same problem. I have no idea what fixed it.
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Old November 17th, 2008, 12:47 PM   #3 (permalink)
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sweet you rock, thanks man.
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Old November 18th, 2008, 11:12 AM   #4 (permalink)
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well i tryed checking out the hyper 2 last night, horribly failed. I cant get the bottom cap off of it (ended up breaking a small allen wrench trying) but i did manage to get the shim stack out and check on that end of it, eveything there looked fine, so i lubed it back up and put it back together, gased the marker up and it had the same issue, when i pull the trigger there is this little "put" of air released and thats all. its leaking right now but nothing bad and i dont think the leak is related to this problem.
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Old November 18th, 2008, 06:24 PM   #5 (permalink)
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i managed to get ahold of my friend. In typical fashion, he said he doesn't know what finally fixed it.

So doesn't look like I can help you much. Although I bet if I had it in my hand I could fix it. VERY few markers I can't fix (mechanical/pneumatic issues that don't require replacement parts) out there.
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Old November 19th, 2008, 10:55 AM   #6 (permalink)
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where do you think i should look first?

im thinking i may just go buy a large repair kit and that way Ill have tons of parts on hand for the future, and a new noid if thats the problem. and i think it also has all the parts for the lpr, which is my other guess as to whats wrong.

is there anyway you think the wires running to the noid could be causing this? a short maybe?
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Old November 19th, 2008, 05:32 PM   #7 (permalink)
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COULD it? Yes. But is it likely, I'd say it's fairly low likelihood.

The large repair kits are GREAT to have. I definitely would say it's a good idea to have one.
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Old November 19th, 2008, 05:51 PM   #8 (permalink)
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ya but they are just....expensive. take the circut board out and dump the price down, afterall who wants a stock board?

not to mention right now im dealing with a wrecked car so i was hoping to fix this without a $170 investment

anyway you can think of to test the noid and make sure its working right? (trying to rule one piece out at a time basically)
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Old November 19th, 2008, 07:18 PM   #9 (permalink)
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without a second dm6, not off the top of my head.
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Old November 19th, 2008, 07:26 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Sounds like bolt stick. What type of lube are you using?
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Old November 20th, 2008, 08:58 AM   #11 (permalink)
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smart parts sleek lube (to tellyou the truth i forgot the exact name of it, its SP's dow 33 lube)

bolt stick for the first shot sure but i have the ABS on and it gets worse as it shoots not better, not to mention iv torn the bolt apart and re lubed it just to make sure, it didnt help one bit
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Old November 20th, 2008, 03:03 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I never use sleek. I use hatersauce on all my spoolies. All I can say is relube your gun and reset your regulators. Bump your dwell up one or two.
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Old November 20th, 2008, 04:47 PM   #13 (permalink)
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alright ill try bumping the dwell tonight and ill get back to you guys
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Old November 21st, 2008, 06:17 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I use sl33k on all my spools. works great for me.
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Old November 24th, 2008, 11:14 AM   #15 (permalink)
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update-

so i was tinkering with it last night, i tryed increasing the dwell, no luck. I have ruled out the Hyper 2 as the problem. but it seems to me that the marker just isnt getting enoufgh air

so this was really strange and i still cant make sence of why its doing this. so i air it up with it turned on and it is leaking out the back cap, not a ton but not a little at the same time, i put my thumb over the back cap and the bolt gets pushed forward and now it is just leaking out the barrel (same amount of air) but i can push the bolt back with my finger which just results in it leaking out the back cap again. iv checked and re checked all the o rings and i dont think they are the problem.

the noid clicks away just fine and the electrical portion of it seems to be working just fine, however the mechanical side of it i am a little curious about, the manual lists the noid as one piece but (at least the dm6, idk about the other trixs) you can take the metal piece off the noid, the piece that has the gasket on it. this piece i am not sure is returning to its rest posistion correctly, there seems to be a fair amount of lube in there and i cant take it apart to clean it. does anyone have experience with this piece? is there any way of cleaning it?

i tryed resetting the regs but realized i dont know their stock settings, anyone know? the manual gives psi but its not like i have a pressure guage on them
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Old November 24th, 2008, 01:39 PM   #16 (permalink)
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If I remember correctly (and this is somewhat iffy), it's 25 psi every 360* turn for the lpr.

HPR can't remember at all. I just throw it at 3 turns out and chrono from there when resetting.
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Old November 24th, 2008, 01:49 PM   #17 (permalink)
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well its not like i can chrono, it wont even cycle, but ya thats kinda what i figured and so its sitting at about 3 turns out right now
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Old December 1st, 2008, 09:30 AM   #18 (permalink)
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update: well after breaking one of the eye wires last week i gave up and ordered a large parts kit, ill let you guys know what it was when it is fixed
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Old December 11th, 2008, 09:28 AM   #19 (permalink)
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update: so the large parts kit came yesterday, i spent a good 5 hours tearing through it trying to figure out whats wrong, its not the noid, not the board, not the lpr. i really dont think its the hpr either so i am back to stuck. i am wondering if something could have gotten into the air ports through the marker and is jamming things up but im not sure how to check those, any ideas?

this is really pissing me off as its been a month, $160 and i am still sitting on the GO square
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Old December 12th, 2008, 09:15 PM   #20 (permalink)
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If you want you can send it to me and I can fix it, I have tremendous experience with fixing matrices. If I don't fix it(Which will only come from a tremendous cost) I'll at least be able to give you a diagnosis to the problem.
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Old January 6th, 2009, 09:00 AM   #21 (permalink)
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update- so it turns out the leak out the back cap and venting out the bolt issue was with the two o rings on the very back of the bolt, but now i have a leak coming from where the rear of the trigger frame screws onto the body, so its obviously in the LPR, I already changed out all 3 o rings on the LPR body, no luck. does anyone know where i can get a LPR body? mine is pretty beat up
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Old January 7th, 2009, 11:31 AM   #22 (permalink)
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AHHHHHH!

so last night i tore through the bolt and replaced every single o ring that is on it, no luck, same with the lpr, no luck, its still leaking like crazy and wont cycle, and now the eyes are having issues that i cant figure out, the led is solid red then it will give me 3 blinks red, manual says blinking red is eyes off but from what i remember that was blinking constantly, no solid for a while.

it is trying to cycle, but it does it wierd, if i continually pull the trigger it will sit there for a bit then try to cycle about 5 times fairly quickly, then sit there for a while longer and do it again, when it trys to cycle the bolt moves about 2mm forward then comes back
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Old January 7th, 2009, 11:58 AM   #23 (permalink)
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wow...too bad you're not around here. I've always found when you get to the point you are, it's best to have someone else look at it, just for the fact of a fresh perspective.
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Old January 7th, 2009, 02:01 PM   #24 (permalink)
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ya im wondering if it is multiple problems now, but i still havnt found a great way to check the air ports running though the marker so i still dont know if that could be doing it, on one hand i want to fix it myself to save the $35 my local shop would charge for doing it(probably not even fixing it in my experience) on the other hand its beed down for a good 2 months and even though im not playing now (theres about a inch of water nomatter where you are around here right now, they are predicting record flooding in the nex few days, and its about 35F, not good paintball weather) i still want it to be working
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Old January 7th, 2009, 02:09 PM   #25 (permalink)
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by chance does anyone have skype and a web cam? it may help me to get some live help

a few more details if it helps

iv replaced the noid and board, i know its not the hpr it is adjusting correctly, and the noid will start venting pressure if it gets up too high, which leads me to the lpr, i replaced all the o rings but the body itself still has some damage (not a ton, just from when i first got it and was a moron, i cranked the set screws into it a bit) so i am also on the hunt for a new lpr body. beyond that i can only think that it may be caused by something in the air ports through the marker.

by chance does anyone know if the dm7/8/9 use the same lpr as the 6?
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