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Old April 17th, 2012, 09:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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2011 Proto Rail PMR help.

OK, so I am upgrading from my upgraded tippy to a PMR. I am already taking care of the tank and hopper.
Just wondering what I should do to mess with it. I figured first things first, I am going to upgrade the barrel to a UL and change the plastic trigger. Any ideas?
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Old April 18th, 2012, 01:07 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I'd change the plastic trigger first, and not spend a crap load of money on the UL barrel
The UL is WAYYY overpriced IMO, there are whole barrel kits you can buy for the price of some UL barrels
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Old April 18th, 2012, 03:54 PM   #3 (permalink)
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OK, so I am upgrading from my upgraded tippy to a PMR. I am already taking care of the tank and hopper.
Just wondering what I should do to mess with it. I figured first things first, I am going to upgrade the barrel to a UL and change the plastic trigger. Any ideas?
What gun is it? Because there is no 2011 PMR, the Proto Matrix Rail is a discontinued marker that mirrored the DM series. The Rail could be called the spiritual successor, but it is not an updated PMR and not a sequel. Sorry, it's just a pet peeve of mine when people call the Rail a PMR.

If it's the base model Rail, buy a new feedneck FIRST. You don't want your $100+ loader taking a spill because of the cheap plastic clamp that comes with the gun. After that, get yourself a new barrel. The UL is a great barrel, but a waste of money new. If you can't find one used, go for a Empire Nightstick (overbored) or a J&J ceramic. The trigger on the base is NOT plastic, it's decent quality aluminium. It's actually a really decent trigger, enough so that I see no reason for ever replacing it. I would definitely look into a TechT L7 bolt, the stock bolt is great but does eat some serious air. The only other upgrades I would do are an on/off ASA, and new grips. That's about it.

If it's the Reflex Rail, there's really nothing that needs to be upgraded (besides maybe the bolt), maybe a new feedneck if you don't like it.
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Old April 18th, 2012, 04:02 PM   #4 (permalink)
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the Proto Matrix Rail is a discontinued marker that mirrored the DM series.
except for the part that the only similarities were the grip frame and that they both had "matrix" in the name, beyond that they have nothing in common

Im going to assume HPA tank, loader and thermal mask are taken care of

id agree that feedneck is next, then a on/off ASA as long as you dont have one already, after that your pick, id forget the UL barrel and opt for a J&J ceramic if you want a single barrel and if you want a kit there are lots of options out there, J&J also makes a decent one but if you want a really nice kit with lots of sizing options, check out a DW fibur, full CF barrel with the freak kit inside. as far as i know its also the lightest barrel per length currently on the market
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Old April 18th, 2012, 04:07 PM   #5 (permalink)
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except for the part that the only similarities were the grip frame and that they both had "matrix" in the name, beyond that they have nothing in common
Obviously, by mirrored I mean economically, as it was the top of the line Proto compared to the top of the line Dye.
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Old April 18th, 2012, 04:17 PM   #6 (permalink)
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again, not at all true

proto produced the Proto matrix series markers which were essentially test beds for new Dye technology

matrix series markers were only produced for 1 year each and were high end markers (balanced spools), the rail on the other hand, whichever one you are talking about, has always been produced for more than 1 year and is a mid range marker (unbalanced spools)
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Old April 18th, 2012, 04:21 PM   #7 (permalink)
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? No I was comparing the PM series to the DM series. I know the Rail is completely different.
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Old April 18th, 2012, 04:22 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Actually I think I'm confusing the PMR with the PM. Nevermind.
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Old April 18th, 2012, 04:26 PM   #9 (permalink)
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yes you are, they are 2 different markers

PM# markers are nolonger made, 09 was the last year

PMR/PR/PRR just has had its name changed and the bolt on bits swapped through the years but its the same marker and still being produced
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Old April 18th, 2012, 05:44 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Either way, still a pretty great gun for the price. As for the barrel kits, if you are really looking for a nice barrel, and plan on keeping it for a while, invest in a Smart Parts/GoG Freak Barrel Kit. That may be one of the only things that they did well. Otherwise, check out the CP barrels. I have two and love them; plus, the CP barrel is only $30...
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Old April 18th, 2012, 05:51 PM   #11 (permalink)
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yes you are, they are 2 different markers

PM# markers are nolonger made, 09 was the last year

PMR/PR/PRR just has had its name changed and the bolt on bits swapped through the years but its the same marker and still being produced
08, not 09.

PM8 was the final PM#, which ceased production in like June of 08.
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Old April 18th, 2012, 06:05 PM   #12 (permalink)
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08, not 09.

PM8 was the final PM#, which ceased production in like June of 08.
I think he's right there was no PM9 to my memory... But new bolts and internal bits changes the gun, I don't know how you can call it the same if it's not.
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Old April 18th, 2012, 06:08 PM   #13 (permalink)
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so they shortened the bolt a little so what? marker still functions the same
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The changes are minor. The actual engine of the marker itself is the same design from the 07 PMR through the 12 PR/PRR.
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Old April 18th, 2012, 06:22 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Is there a website where I can look at bolt designs and actions?
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While not EVERY marker has an animation there, ZDS Paintball is the best.
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Old April 18th, 2012, 11:46 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Well is the 2011 Proto Rail worth all the maintanence work it seems to need? If not, I mite just get the Reflex..
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Old April 18th, 2012, 11:53 PM   #18 (permalink)
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The Reflex and the base Rail are the exactly same gun, the Reflex is just slightly upgraded. Same exact maintenance. You turn the back cap about 2 1/2 turns and pull the entire bolt out. The bolt is three pieces, you lube them up, screw them back together, and pop it back in. It's one of the easiest guns I've ever taken apart. But I do own an Ion....
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The Reflex and the base Rail are the exactly same gun, the Reflex is just slightly upgraded. Same exact maintenance. You turn the back cap about 2 1/2 turns and pull the entire bolt out. The bolt is three pieces, you lube them up, screw them back together, and pop it back in. It's one of the easiest guns I've ever taken apart. But I do own an Ion....
... eh.... contradict yourself in the same breath. nice.

in all seriousness though, he is right. the care is the exact same.

only the quest is easier. no can to deal with
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... eh.... contradict yourself in the same breath. nice.

in all seriousness though, he is right. the care is the exact same.

only the quest is easier. no can to deal with
the quest with 2 regulators and a bolt is easier.....

im not saying its hard but there is more to deal with on a quest than a PMR
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Fewer orings though. Simpler bolt geometry. Yes, the Quest is DEFINITELY simpler than a PMR, having owned both.
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Old April 19th, 2012, 10:42 AM   #23 (permalink)
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fewer o-rings does not mean simpler, fewer o-rings means fewer o-rings, if we are going by that logic then a g3 should be considered simpler than most stuff in the entry level

my etek 3 has fewer o-rings than my DM6 but still has 2 regulators and issues of its own. the old impulse I had had all of like 3 o-rings that were seen on a regular basis, and yet that was one of the most picky markers i have ever owned, had issues with everything
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Quest has fewer orings, fewer parts to the bolt, fewer moving seals, simpler bolt geometry. It has 1 extra reg. Quest is simpler, there is no arguing this.
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Old April 19th, 2012, 01:03 PM   #25 (permalink)
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a balanced spool it always going to be harder to diagnose issues with than an unbalanced spool, more things can cause similar issues

not to mention parts for the quest are still not readily available
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