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Old March 31st, 2011, 01:07 AM   #1 (permalink)
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APEX2 Barrel and tip for TM-15

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I plan tu buy an APEX2 barrel, but I checked on paintball-online.com and in empirepaintball.com and they say they only have the barrel for the X7, A-5, BT-4 and U.S Army, 98 Custom, Auto cocker and M98, but it doesn't say anything about TM series, even thought in the APEX2 video the player using the APEX2 is using a TM-15. I also remember that a while ago they did have TM series available. So I have two questions:

1. Which of the barrels they give me options of I have to choose for my TM-15?

Here are the links just in case it matters:

14" Barrel:

https://www.paintball-online.com/sho...BRBTAP214.aspx

Empire Battle Tested APEX2-14″*- Empire Paintball Markers & Gear* | Battle Tested Barrels

18" Barrel:

https://www.paintball-online.com/sho...BRBTAP218.aspx

Empire Battle Tested APEX2-18″*- Empire Paintball Markers & Gear* | Battle Tested Barrels

2. The TM-15 has a stock barrel of 14", but I do not know if the APEX2 14" barrel is long enough for the TM-15 so, should I get the 14" or the 18" barrel?
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Old March 31st, 2011, 01:13 AM   #2 (permalink)
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well the 14 if at all, anything over 16 is just wasting barrel but in the apex honestly in my opinion the whole thing is a wasted barrel

putting spin on the ball is just a gimik, you cant get any more range out of it than you have with a typical barrel and curving shots is so inaccurate you pretty much have to get lucky (you start decreasing accuracy any time you start putting spin on the ball) not to mention if you have to switch targets your screwed because now the paint is going somewhere you dont want it to go

for your marker you are looking for "autococker" threads on the barrel
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Old March 31st, 2011, 02:51 AM   #3 (permalink)
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well the 14 if at all, anything over 16 is just wasting barrel but in the apex honestly in my opinion the whole thing is a wasted barrel

putting spin on the ball is just a gimik, you cant get any more range out of it than you have with a typical barrel and curving shots is so inaccurate you pretty much have to get lucky (you start decreasing accuracy any time you start putting spin on the ball) not to mention if you have to switch targets your screwed because now the paint is going somewhere you dont want it to go

for your marker you are looking for "autococker" threads on the barrel
Thanks, so auto cocker, but I have a question for you: You say that the APEX2 is not worth it, so which one do you recommend?

P.D According to TechPB the APEX barrel is very good, it is more functional than the Flatline barrel from Tippmann and cheaper, thats why I want it.

P.D Physically speaking, spinning a ball does augment its range since it breaks the wind (So it is also more accurate)
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Old March 31st, 2011, 06:53 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Ill agree with tech pb on that one that it is more functional than the flatline since you can turn the spin off but that still doesnt mean its very usefull. just a fyi for future, you have to take things that mike says with a grain of salt, he is not the all knowing paintball God that he thinks he is. a lot of his stuff is good info but he very very rarely gives anything a bad review.

heres the low down on the backspin on a paintball. yes it will get the ball to go further, some people call that range, i do not and here is why, as the ball spins it sacrifices speed for lift to keep it in the air, so it is still in the air at the point when a ball from a normal barrel hits the ground. but what the manufactures conveniently dont tell you is at this point the ball is traveling so slowly while in the air that it will not break on anything. so yes the paint goes further, but you cant get anyone out because it just bounces off of them at that range. the only when using a normal paintball that determines your usable range is the velocity it comes out of the barrel at, a velocity that is fixed by the field

as for accuracy, if you put spin on a sphere, a perfectly horizontal spin (meaning the ball is rotating backwards as it travels) it will fly straight, but unfortunately we dont live in a "perfect" world, so when the paint is tilted, ever so slightly to one side, what happens is the spin is then not exactly horizontal across the axes of the ball and because of this it is basically pulling the ball to one side through its travel. thats where the bad accuracy comes from. doesnt matter which way you spin the ball either, the chances are extremely low that every ball or even half of them will come out spinning on the exact same axes

what any spin does is change the way the air flows over the ball, it can not change how much is hitting it or where, just which side is higher pressure and which side is lower pressure so it does not "break" through the wind any better than any other paintball does (first strikes aside)

as for what barrel to look into. J&J ceramic at $30 will give you better accuracy than either the flatline or apex and can shoot out breaks better than both combined, not to mention is cheaper
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Old March 31st, 2011, 09:18 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Ill agree with tech pb on that one that it is more functional than the flatline since you can turn the spin off but that still doesnt mean its very usefull. just a fyi for future, you have to take things that mike says with a grain of salt, he is not the all knowing paintball God that he thinks he is. a lot of his stuff is good info but he very very rarely gives anything a bad review.

heres the low down on the backspin on a paintball. yes it will get the ball to go further, some people call that range, i do not and here is why, as the ball spins it sacrifices speed for lift to keep it in the air, so it is still in the air at the point when a ball from a normal barrel hits the ground. but what the manufactures conveniently dont tell you is at this point the ball is traveling so slowly while in the air that it will not break on anything. so yes the paint goes further, but you cant get anyone out because it just bounces off of them at that range. the only when using a normal paintball that determines your usable range is the velocity it comes out of the barrel at, a velocity that is fixed by the field

as for accuracy, if you put spin on a sphere, a perfectly horizontal spin (meaning the ball is rotating backwards as it travels) it will fly straight, but unfortunately we dont live in a "perfect" world, so when the paint is tilted, ever so slightly to one side, what happens is the spin is then not exactly horizontal across the axes of the ball and because of this it is basically pulling the ball to one side through its travel. thats where the bad accuracy comes from. doesnt matter which way you spin the ball either, the chances are extremely low that every ball or even half of them will come out spinning on the exact same axes

what any spin does is change the way the air flows over the ball, it can not change how much is hitting it or where, just which side is higher pressure and which side is lower pressure so it does not "break" through the wind any better than any other paintball does (first strikes aside)

as for what barrel to look into. J&J ceramic at $30 will give you better accuracy than either the flatline or apex and can shoot out breaks better than both combined, not to mention is cheaper
Thank you men, you saved me lots of money (I was planning to buy more than one APEX2).
Just to finish, I can't find the barrel you are talking about żDo you Have a link so that I can check it?
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Old April 1st, 2011, 01:55 AM   #6 (permalink)
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here you are, remember, you want a autococker threaded one, and 12"-16" is personal preference, anything under or over that and you start effecting performance though. I guess the price has gone up to $32 in the few years iv looked for it. but in all seriousness, this is a fantastic barrel, id take one over my dye UL and the UL sells for $90, it is fairly quiet, very accurate and can shoot out breaks better than any other barrel i have owned.
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