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Old July 8th, 2005, 12:30 AM   #1 (permalink)
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WAS Halo B/Reloader B Board In The Works

Ok, on another forum, SPPF, Twitchytrigger posted the features of WAS's new Board for the loaders that I have yet to read, but they have been saying it is less expensive than the Cheetah, and even better. He works at WAS, BTW.

Make it feed as fast as possible

People like to throw out big numbers for marketing reasons. We like to provide the facts. The facts are simple, too much pressure on the stack of balls with too brittle of paint means you have broken balls, and then a VERY slow hopper! How fast can the Halo go? Well, in practical applications the Halo will exceed what any marker can shoot (today). The Equalizer board can spin the motor roughly 50 times faster than gravity will allow the balls to become caught in the drive cone. So, it is fair to say that the Equalizer board could drive the motor faster than the Halo mechanics and gravity will allow for proper feeding. In real world testing, anything over roughly 40 balls per second passing through the drive cone assembly will result in balls being missed or crushed by the drive cone fins. The Equalizer's motor control circuitry and logic is extremely easy on paint and spins the motor only as fast as needed. Maintaining extreme pressure on the ball stack is not necessary and only results in broken drive cones, sheared drive cone fins, and burned out motors. The Equalizer board's microprocessor is the latest state-of-the-art version with a code execution speed of 2 MIPS (million of instructions per second), and having an operating frequency of 8Mhz. This is twice as fast as any Equalizer board we make for markers!

Fixing the problem causing paint to break in the breech when the hopper is nearly empty

This problem requires the ability to determine the exact motor speed and position. By knowing the exact motor speed, motor position, and the drive ratio (motor pulley:drive cone pulley), you can determine the exact position of the drive cone. The electronics use EMF feedback to determine the exact motor position. You don't need to have a sensor on the drive cone assembly (like the patent recently filed by Odyssey would suggest). If you know the drive cone position and monitor the motor's torque and use the eye system (if it exists) you can deliberately slow down the hopper when the balls start "bobbling" in the hopper. The end result is that no matter how fast you are shooting, if the hopper runs out of paint you will not get any breaks as a result of the Halo. This approach is so unique that we have applied for several patents pertaining to this.

Reduce jamming and fix jamming problems that occur

How many times have you sat in a bunker with the Halo blinking red/green? It's jammed and now you have to fight with manually fixing the jam using your finger or the rip drive (if you have one) and turn the hopper off and back on. 5-10 seconds have easily gone by with a marker that is down. In X-ball, you probably just got bunkered!

The Equalizer's patent-pending motor control hardware and logic not only reduces the chance of jam occurring in the first place, but also has the ability to know when a jam has occurred! If a jam does occur, the motor is reversed to clear the jam and then the drive cone is wound back to the same position without putting excessive pressure on the stack of balls! This anti-jam logic detects a jam and clears it in as little as 1/4 of a second!

Detecting any type of paint

Everyone knows that the Halo has a problem seeing dark colored and transparent paintballs. The Equalizer board's 10 bit ADC and programmable eye power level allows you to use any type of paint. The circuitry is so sensitive that it can determine the amount of time between balls falling into the breech, even between two balls falling together.

Reduce battery consumption

Unlike the stock board, the Equalizer is OFF when it is turned off and does not drain the batteries just sitting in your gear bag. Although power consumption is relatively low with stock board turned "off", you will find after a month of sitting that your Halo-B's batteries are very depleted.

The stock board uses old microprocessor technology and motor control logic to control the motor speed. The motor frequency is 100Hz, which means that the motor is turned on and off 100 times per second. Although this might sound fast, it's not! The efficiency suffers greatly and you do not have much resolution for controlling the motor speed. The efficiency equates to how much battery life you get. The Equalizer board's engineers came from the R/C market, having designed numerous products for the R/C industry including electronic speed controls used for R/C cars and planes. The Equalizer board's PWM motor frequency is 20,000Hz! The efficiency is enormously better than the stock board, giving you a battery life of several times of what you get with the stock board! The Equalizer for the Halo might be the only product in paintball that actually pays for itself in battery savings!

Extend motor life

By using a high frequency PWM motor control pulse, the motor brushes are not subjected to high current startups like with the stock board. A lower current startup reduces brush arching, which pits the motor's commutator. Lower current startups also reduce power consumption, saving battery life. A high frequency pulse allows you to drop the startup current without sacrificing the needed initial startup motor speed.

Extend drive cone life

By having complete motor control feedback, there is no need to wind the drive cone up for some arbitrary period of time. It is the constant winding (without stopping before excessive pressure develops) that causes the drive cone pin and fins to break off.

Support for new high-tech batteries

With the recent release of high power lithium-polymer (LiPo) batteries, electronics can now be powered by light weight and long lasting power solutions. A three cell pack (4.2v peak each cell) generates roughly 12.6 volts and is ideal for this application, but this voltage is too much for the stock board. Many people have been doing a mod to their Halo that uses two 9v batteries in series (18 volts) and the result is a lot of burned up boards! Other companies are also offering Nicad and Nimh battery packs with higher output voltages also damaging boards as well as the motors. The Equalizer can handle up to 35 volts (and up to 20amps of current), making it an ideal candidate for a LiPo conversion. We will be offering a LiPo battery pack when the Equalizer board is released. The battery will last an entire tournament week (a dozen or more cases of paint shot) on a single charge with the Equalizer board!

Dual hopper support (Halo-B & Reloader)

The Halo-B has an optical ball sensor ("eye") system and the Reloader uses sound activation. The Equalizer board supports the eye system, but instead of using a microphone to "hear" the sound of the marker firing (like the Reloader does) we developed a custom piezo-electric sensor that we call the "EVS(tm)". The EVS(tm) generates a voltage proportional to movement of the sensor. Sound itself will not trigger the sensor, so a nearby marker can not trigger the hopper. As an added bonus, if the eye system fails or is deliberately disabled, the EVS(tm) will take over and allow you to keep feeding. Realistically, an optical sensor system is a better method as the computer can correlate the required motor speed with the rate at which the balls are being put into the breech, however, knowing how fast the motor is spinning, its rotational position, and how many rotations are necessary to load a single ball, the computer can calculate the feed rate with a fairly high degree of accuracy.

Make it adjustable

Just like every Equalizer board, we give the user the ability to adjust settings to suit their needs. The stock settings will always outperform what a marker is capable of shooting (today), but we think ahead and give the users what they want... tweakability! The programming is similar to all other Equalizer boards, using LED flashes and button presses to check and change settings.

Keep it affordable

It doesn't make much sense to spend $100+ for a hopper and buy an upgrade board that is nearly the same price as the hopper! The Equalizer board will retail for less than $50.
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Old July 8th, 2005, 12:38 AM   #2 (permalink)
 
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Sounds good i didn't fully read it, i more skimmed it. PRetty much it goes fast but doesnt break paint....
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Old July 8th, 2005, 12:40 AM   #3 (permalink)
 
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Wow, the guys making the cheetha board just had thier market blown out of the water this board.

If only I had a marker capable of 40 bps(i think i saw 40 bps in there somewhere)then I would so get this, but for $50 ill get it anyways
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Old July 8th, 2005, 12:44 AM   #4 (permalink)
 
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I was just about to go and buy a vic board in 5 minutes, but I guess I'll wait for this thing......
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Old July 8th, 2005, 01:56 AM   #5 (permalink)
 
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The v35=plenty enough for most people, I dont know why people are upgrading their halos when a revvy feeding 15bps is all most tourny players need....everything is gonna end up with a 15bps cap sooner or later...
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Old July 8th, 2005, 02:02 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Other loaders are more reliable, faster (not every tourny has a 15bps. limit), durable, etc. The Revy feeds like 11bps. consistently. The Halo B/Reloader B with this board in it offers so much more than a Revy could ever. And this board offers better ball detection, faster feeding, way better on batteries, even more. Overall, just way better than V35 which only offers a 28bps. cap.

I just read it, and I must say, wow. Deffinitly considering this when it is released.
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Old July 8th, 2005, 02:07 AM   #7 (permalink)
 
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Other loaders are more reliable, faster (not every tourny has a 15bps. limit), durable, etc. The Revy feeds like 11bps. consistently. The Halo B/Reloader B with this board in it offers so much more than a Revy could ever. And this board offers better ball detection, faster feeding, way better on batteries, even more. Overall, just way better than V35 which only offers a 28bps. cap.

I just read it, and I must say, wow. Deffinitly considering this when it is released.
I didnt say anything about the revvy being more reliable then a Halo...and didnt say it was faster. I myself own 2 reloader Bs and a V35 Halo....and I know all series dont have a cap....yet. It seems to be the cool new thing amoung the tournies to cap...hell millinium (sp?) just go to dwell cap? 15bps at 65ms....if they pros do it, everyone else will want to, and I know PSP and CFOA are already 15bps and I think the CFOA is the largest series in the US...
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Old July 8th, 2005, 02:12 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Well, the way you said that the Revy almost fed 15bps. sounded like you were saying that that is all you need, why get anything else? I was stating that other boards/loaders offer more than...other boards/loaders do. I don't know about you, but I'd rather want a quality product than a product that is just barely making the cut.
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Old July 10th, 2005, 08:24 PM   #9 (permalink)
 
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Since this write up is done by a employee of the company that makes it I guess we will just have to take his word on how good it preforms. As for the release of the product who knows ,I waited for 8 mons to get the wasboard for my impulse after it was release.
fact the cheetah board is avaliable now I know i use one at team practice today. the preformace of the cheetah was flawles, prefect & without a doubt one of the finest halo hoppers I have ever used. Over the past few years I tested & USED THEM ALL. oh and lets not forget the cheetah has lifetime warranty not to mention one can download updates from their computer as needed. Just two features the WAS DON'T HAVE. So its 80.00 not 50.00 / in my opinion its worth the extra money.
factThe lithium batteries are available now & they do work well with cheetah and all the halo / empire boards. The reason I know this my company BOOST CPB has been selling them for almost a year now. The boost hot pack 12volt lithium disposable & the 10.5 lithium Ion recharge packs. both packs are less than half the weight of the 6aa's.
TAG & BOOST IS ONLY SETTING THE STANDARDS FOR OTHERS TO FOLLOW.

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Old July 10th, 2005, 10:24 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I'll be meaning to try out your 12v. Boost Pack when I get the WAS Board. Should be crazy.
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Wow, the guys making the cheetha board just had thier market blown out of the water this board.
Well...after reading all of the specs we have decided we are not worried at all. Actually our sales have picked up.....it might have something to do with our reputation
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Old July 11th, 2005, 09:16 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Wow, my thread is attracting some great people. lol

Next will be Seth.
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Since hear say is apparently taken as fact, here's an updated list of the Cheetah board features.

AFA Modes! That's right, Advanced Feeding AGGloryThemes.
Breakout Mode: After the first ball is fed the hopper will feed as fast as possible!
--Requires a locking feed neck with hopper suspenders due to the extreme velocities of the paint leaving the hopper, in excess of 100fps! After six seconds the halo will slow down to a rate of which you can stop shooting with out having the Halo explode under pressure. So if your 'gun ever goes down you can yank the halo off and do a run through using the super fast feeding speed of the Cheetah halo board to propel the paint!

Ramping Mode: After three feeds within a second the halo will spin three times it's normal amount at full speed for each break in the eye beam within a second.
--If you attempt this mode without having a true CFOA/PSP mode 'gun the Halo will be placed some where in orbit around the planet.

MORE TO COME!

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Old July 13th, 2005, 12:35 AM   #14 (permalink)
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And, I know what you are thinking, I created these 3 accounts. Well, you're wrong. But it does seem pretty suspicious.

EDIT:

Link to the board on WAS's site.

http://wickedairsports.com/development.php

Pics of it, and it comes with a new back plate sticker, lol.
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