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Old June 17th, 2012, 09:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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New hopper

Ok i play with a halo v35 with rip drive and virtue kit but i think i might want to upgrade heres my choices
Dye rotor
Pinokio
Empire prophecy z2
Which one is best the size matters but not that important remember my main marker is a dye
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Old June 17th, 2012, 09:16 PM   #2 (permalink)
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gosh your asking a hornets nest question there, pretty much everyone on here has a different take on that question so really....its up to you

if you click on the link in my sig and scroll down to the hopper section there is a short write up on each with pros and cons
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Old June 17th, 2012, 09:35 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Rotor:
Great battery life, simple to use and to clean. Some people take issue with the capacity. Many people (but not all) have issues with small paint and jams. EXPENSIVE.

Pinokio:
Great capacity. Simple to use. Not so simple to clean if you need to do the feed tray inside. Basically jam proof. Decent battery life.

Z2:
Fast, great tray design makes it NEARLY as jam free as a Pinokio. Much smaller capacity than the Prophecy v1/v2. If you put Prophecy v2 280 shells on it though (like mine), it'll hold over 300 due to the smaller size of the internals. Easier to clean internally than the v1/v2, but nowhere near as simple as the Rotor. EXPENSIVE.
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Old June 17th, 2012, 09:42 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I like the pinokio but i am not a back player at all i move alot so i am not really leaning torwards it i was leaning torwards the prophecy
How is the v1 v2 and z2 different other than the shell
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Old June 17th, 2012, 09:46 PM   #5 (permalink)
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for what its worth i have never had the rotor jam on me and i have used some very small paints (last time out i did not have a freak insert quite small enough and i have the full kit)

between v1 and z2 on the proph, they took out the magnetic clutch but nobody knows what they replaced it with. other than that and the shell i dont know that anything changed.
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Old June 17th, 2012, 09:46 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Everything. The entire drive tray has been redesigned and is much smaller. Putting stock 230 v1 shells on the Z2 will hold 250-260.

It also turns MUCH slower yet feeds just as fast, so it must have a larger diameter feed.
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Old June 17th, 2012, 09:50 PM   #7 (permalink)
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for what its worth i have never had the rotor jam on me and i have used some very small paints (last time out i did not have a freak insert quite small enough and i have the full kit)

between v1 and z2 on the proph, they took out the magnetic clutch but nobody knows what they replaced it with. other than that and the shell i dont know that anything changed.
They didn't really replace it with anything. Getting rid of the clutch allowed them to lower the entire tray thus saving room and being able to make the shells that much smaller while keeping the capacity just above that of the Rotor (not a fan of the stock capacity...they REALLY need to release the Z2 high capacity front). Because the tray is larger, and can spin slower, it puts less torque on the paintballs. Also, each ball sets in it's own little "pocket" on the wheel, also helping to reduce the possibility of a jam. So in all likelihood, there's no longer a need for the magnetic clutch. I haven't used it enough to say for sure since I haven't played since I got my v2 shells for it. And when I used it with the stock shells I literally used it for 2 games, threw it in my car, and put the Prophecy V1 on my marker.
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Old June 17th, 2012, 09:53 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Ok then i have not heard anything about the v2 is it good
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Old June 17th, 2012, 09:59 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I love it. Good capacity, fast, withe the anti-jam on there I've never had a jam. Large enough that I can put a speed feed on without worrying about not being able to hold an entire locklid. However, they are more complicated to take apart/put together.
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Old June 17th, 2012, 10:03 PM   #10 (permalink)
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the prophecy takes quite a wile to figure out how to re-assemble. i always felt like I was going to break mine
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Old June 17th, 2012, 10:08 PM   #11 (permalink)
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the prophecy takes quite a wile to figure out how to re-assemble. i always felt like I was going to break mine
Ugh, the first couple times, I sooooooo did too. Now it's no big deal, I can tear it apart and put it back together without issue. But yeah, the first few times, it is horrible.
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Old June 18th, 2012, 02:14 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Fast, great tray design makes it NEARLY as jam free as a Pinokio. Much smaller capacity than the Prophecy v1/v2. If you put Prophecy v2 280 shells on it though (like mine), it'll hold over 300 due to the smaller size of the internals. Easier to clean internally than the v1/v2, but nowhere near as simple as the Rotor. EXPENSIVE.
speaking of which, how hard is the shell change? if difficult at all?
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Old June 18th, 2012, 08:24 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Took me longer to get the wrappings off the shell than it did to change it.
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is it just drop in the internals?
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Old June 18th, 2012, 02:36 PM   #15 (permalink)
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unassemble hopper, assemble with new shells. I didn't like the way the original prophecy backplate worked with the buttons, so then pulled that back off and put the Z2 backplate back on.
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Old June 19th, 2012, 09:54 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I've had a few problems with jams over the two years that I've had my rotor, but as far as capacity goes, if you have a problem, get the high cap lid...
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Old June 19th, 2012, 04:08 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I've had a few problems with jams over the two years that I've had my rotor, but as far as capacity goes, if you have a problem, get the high cap lid...
then get shot in the hicap. it changes your profile more than you know it. i repeatedly shoot a buddy of mine in his hicap
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Old June 19th, 2012, 04:34 PM   #18 (permalink)
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larger capacity will always equel a larger profile, doesnt matter what hopper you have
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Old June 19th, 2012, 05:04 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I'd rather have the high cap and get shot on it occasionaly, than not have it and not be able to fit a whole pod in there. I'm not saying that you'll have an advantage to other players, but it's nice to not have to reload as much. That being said, the 400 capacity of the Pinokio is a little overboard...
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Old June 19th, 2012, 06:44 PM   #20 (permalink)
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my goodness what pods are you using that you can not get a whole pod in there?
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my goodness what pods are you using that you can not get a whole pod in there?
I used to use the lockies, but I've drifted more towards the Empire ones. I like the ability to fill my hopper without having it be completly empty.
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Old June 19th, 2012, 08:22 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Yeah, with the jamming I had with mine, I decided to keep the lockies and ditch the Rotor. I have to say, never have missed it for even a moment since getting rid of it.
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Old June 20th, 2012, 11:16 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I used to use the lockies, but I've drifted more towards the Empire ones. I like the ability to fill my hopper without having it be completly empty.
huh, i never had issues but i also know i tend to drain my hopper a little more than others do before reloading

at some point ill send my loc lids off to miller. i hate them with a passion
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Old June 20th, 2012, 11:42 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Largely in the same boat - I don't let mine run dry - but I wait until I hear popcorn, or the rotor start to show signs of the impending "Free spin of emptiness". I use a mixture of loklids and Fatboys.


I retract my stand on the Empire pods. Having 3 different opening lips is a bit too..many? Twice this last weekend, I reached back, pulled the velcro, felt the pod rocket into my hand spilling paint everywhere. And they can't be worn out. I have Fatboys that are 10 years old operating without issue. I bought these Empires about 2 months ago.
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I've had the opposite effect. With the Empire pods, I have 0 problems getting them out, and with the lock lids, I can't tell you how many times I've pulled the entire top off of the pod. I've also had problems getting the lock lids out of my pack...
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