comparison - Paintball Forum - Paintball guns and gear forums

Reply

Old April 11th, 2013, 08:47 AM   #1 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Crooked Shot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Eastern Ohio
Posts: 489
comparison

Curious of the weight, size and weight distribution of the rotor, prophecy, and halo too. I know they are all reliable and feed plenty fast enough but curious of how they compare physically.
Crooked Shot is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old April 11th, 2013, 10:06 AM   #2 (permalink)
Established member
 
tlmiller's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: AZ, USA
Posts: 9,221
Rotor is the lowest profile. Halo Too has the same profile as the HaloB/ReloaderB/B2. Prophecy is wider than the Halo Too, but sets around the same total height. Prophecy Z2 actually sets lower than the Rotor (by a massive couple millimeters).

In terms of weight, the Rotor is the heaviest, with the Halo Too VERY close behind and the Prophecy a bit lighter. Z2 even a little lighter.

Weight distribution on the Rotor and the Prophecy is, IMO, ideal. They're both very bottom-heavy so it doesn't throw off your marker. Z2 also. The Halo isn't bad, but definitely not as bottom heavy as the other 2.
__________________
Yes, I have long since accepted that I have issues, with that said, here's:

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
tlmiller is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old April 11th, 2013, 10:17 AM   #3 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Crooked Shot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Eastern Ohio
Posts: 489
Sounds like the z2 is probably the better Hopper size wise. When I see picture of them they just looks so long, I personally don't like the looks. I always thought my too was kinda heavy but I guess that's just about what there weight is. My dm6 with full.hopper and 70/4500 tank feels heavier then my 98
Crooked Shot is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old April 11th, 2013, 10:24 AM   #4 (permalink)
Authoritah!
 
martix_agent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Lafayette, Indiana
Posts: 23,645
A DM6 weighs 1.02kg/2.24lbs with everything that's needed to allow the gun to fire, Stock UL barrel, stock Dye On/Off, and Hyper 2 included.
You've also got to add the weight of the hopper, paint, and tank.

It's all about how it balances though. Some setups feel better, depending on the length of the tank. Different hopper, distribute weight differently as well.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
martix_agent is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old April 11th, 2013, 12:42 PM   #5 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Crooked Shot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Eastern Ohio
Posts: 489
Its pretty even, just I expected it to weight like nothing, which the gun does. Didn't think 180 paintballs in a holler would make that big of a difference. Is a 70/4500 slightly heavier then a 20oz or is it just me?
Crooked Shot is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old April 11th, 2013, 01:30 PM   #6 (permalink)
Established member
 
tlmiller's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: AZ, USA
Posts: 9,221
More than slightly heavier than a 20 oz. Still lighter than a steelie though.
__________________
Yes, I have long since accepted that I have issues, with that said, here's:

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
tlmiller is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old April 11th, 2013, 02:28 PM   #7 (permalink)
dprimmy
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
I can't speak on the prophecy - but something else to take into consideration is weight-balance.

The Too and B seem to place the battery weight towards the front of the nose - and the paint weight evenly over the footprint of the hopper. The feed neck seems centrally located. The result..to me...feels to be a front-heavy hopper that seems to push the nose of the marker downward.

The Rotor puts the batteries over the back of the hopper - almost over the grip area of any marker I own. The paint is pushed towards the front, and the feedneck post is front biased.

Personally - I prefer the balance and feel of a rotor atop my markers when compared to the Too/B.

...I'm probably getting a spire coming up - so I'll be able to comment on that soon too.
View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old April 11th, 2013, 05:03 PM   #8 (permalink)
Authoritah!
 
martix_agent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Lafayette, Indiana
Posts: 23,645
Quote:
Originally Posted by dprimmy View Post
Personally - I prefer the balance and feel of a rotor atop my markers when compared to the Too/B.

...I'm probably getting a spire coming up - so I'll be able to comment on that soon too.
it feels almost identical to the rotor, in terms of weight distribution. This is a good thing.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
martix_agent is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old April 11th, 2013, 08:00 PM   #9 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Crooked Shot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Eastern Ohio
Posts: 489
My halo gets the job done and the weight distribution ain't bad, since I have a larger tank. Do stubbys have any advantage besides size? The prophecy seams great I just don't like the looks. How much better is the spire then the rotor? I would take the rotor just because of how it looks.
Crooked Shot is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old April 11th, 2013, 10:24 PM   #10 (permalink)
Super Moderator
 
huckduck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 3,797
don't forget the spire. its even lower than the rotor, but is a bit longer and quite a bit lighter
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
huckduck is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old April 12th, 2013, 12:25 PM   #11 (permalink)
Super Legit
 
Trbo323's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Washington
Posts: 14,001
im curious if anyone has weighed all these hoppers full of paint. a slight difference in weight empty doesnt mean squat once both are full of paint and one hopper holds more paint than another.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


^^^If you are new, click here^^^


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

^^^ Putting together your tool bag?? Click here! ^^^
Trbo323 is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old April 12th, 2013, 01:29 PM   #12 (permalink)
Super Moderator
 
huckduck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 3,797
course not. all that matters is the theoretical weights empty when not in real life situation. you should know that XD
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
huckduck is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old April 12th, 2013, 01:39 PM   #13 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Crooked Shot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Eastern Ohio
Posts: 489
When I get home I'll fill up and weight my too, Huck if you wanna do your rotor. And someone with a z2
Crooked Shot is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old April 12th, 2013, 02:18 PM   #14 (permalink)
dprimmy
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
I understand what we're trying to prove here - but in a CQB/Airball game...anything short of full-on scenario or multi-hour woodsy-woods game...how long is your hopper going to be full?

At most - I'd think within the first minute or so - you're going to have whittled your hopper down to the "1pod +/- 35 rounds" point.


When we compare gun weight- you're holding the gun the entire time you're playing - so its sorta an accurate assessment...much like tank weight (as it doesn't change much with the inclusion of 4500psi of air) But with something as heavy and as much of a liquid asset as paint?


If we were to do this - someone like Miller (who owns EVERYTHING paintball)...

Weigh the marker setup eith everything but paint ready to go. Load the hopper completely full. Shoot the marker to the player's "reload point". Reload. Discard all unused paint still in the pod or dropped from the hopper - and then weigh the marker again, subtracting the marker empty vs. full weight. This is your functional paint weight. Then weigh the hopper empty. add in the recently acquired paint weight, accept that there's going to be a small difference due to air actually having weight, and that would be the Hopper + Paint "max functional weight".


Or we can take a hopper - toss in about 100-120 rounds at random..and see how heavy they are.


Though - a lot of this is going back to "the rotor is 2.25 pounds. The spire is 1.75 pounds...and the PE Ego 15 is going to shave 2.16 ounces off marker weight with the new milling!! Unless we're Min/Max-ing we may just be doing experiments to do them.
View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old April 12th, 2013, 02:48 PM   #15 (permalink)
Super Legit
 
Trbo323's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Washington
Posts: 14,001
Quote:
Originally Posted by dprimmy View Post

Or we can take a hopper - toss in about 100-120 rounds at random..and see how heavy they are.

well if it is going to be random we might as well just pull numbers out of our ass.

the Z2 weighs 6.3lbs
the rotor weighs -2.5lbs
and the spire weighs 5.67 tons

there done

assuming you are like me though you are starting a game with a full hopper (and if you get shot first ending as well) and with everyone asking how much each hopper weighs and assuming the lighter the better I think this is a useful piece of information, afterall if a hopper holds a few paintballs less it is going to weigh slightly less when on a marker and ready to go at the beginning of a game. so if you are looking for a light hopper, the hopper itself is only part of that equation
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


^^^If you are new, click here^^^


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

^^^ Putting together your tool bag?? Click here! ^^^
Trbo323 is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old April 12th, 2013, 03:44 PM   #16 (permalink)
dprimmy
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Reasonable estimates exist within a reasonable range. I mean -if we want to be hyper scientific about this - we could conduct 400 trials of this per hopper and average the paint quantities - but wouldn't it just be easier to perform it once and know the results are going to be relatively close?

But again - I can cram 170 rounds into a Rotor at the start of a game, but after the first 8 seconds...unless its 100% empty..I'm hard pressed to get more than 140 more into it. Are we better evaluating a situation on ideals, or real world values? Is a solenoid that can cycle 85 times per second any better than one that can cycle 45 times per second in an environment restricted to 12.5 cycles? So - without a perfect storm situation (fully fully reloaded)- does that max-cap figure actually have value? What percentage of the time is that? Or are we better off taking the capacity of the hopper in a more functional situation and evaluating that?

After mulling over this again and again - I'd be interested in knowing 3 things about a hopper:

1) Can I fit a full 140 round pod in the hopper from a firing position.
2) The alleged hopper capacity.
3) The empty weight.

We reload in 130-160 round increments...so fitting 20-30 extra rounds only benefits me through the first 8-10 seconds of any game I play. If I'm ramping and playing tourney-style? that's ~3 seconds.


hmm...funny thought - Hopper capacity is a function of the capacity of a pod....sorta.
View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old April 12th, 2013, 04:25 PM   #17 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Crooked Shot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Eastern Ohio
Posts: 489
In the end all hoppers are about the same. If all hoppers are about + or - .3 pounds of each other. After you fill them up with paint The lightest one may be the heaviest hopper do to amount of the paint it holds, and vice versa. After you fill them up and say there arond 5 pounds. Your not going to notice .2 pounds. Really all the it comes down to is profile and the reliability of the hopper.
Crooked Shot is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old April 12th, 2013, 06:16 PM   #18 (permalink)
Super Legit
 
Trbo323's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Washington
Posts: 14,001
Quote:
Originally Posted by dprimmy View Post
Reasonable estimates exist within a reasonable range. I mean -if we want to be hyper scientific about this - we could conduct 400 trials of this per hopper and average the paint quantities - but wouldn't it just be easier to perform it once and know the results are going to be relatively close?

But again - I can cram 170 rounds into a Rotor at the start of a game, but after the first 8 seconds...unless its 100% empty..I'm hard pressed to get more than 140 more into it. Are we better evaluating a situation on ideals, or real world values? Is a solenoid that can cycle 85 times per second any better than one that can cycle 45 times per second in an environment restricted to 12.5 cycles? So - without a perfect storm situation (fully fully reloaded)- does that max-cap figure actually have value? What percentage of the time is that? Or are we better off taking the capacity of the hopper in a more functional situation and evaluating that?

After mulling over this again and again - I'd be interested in knowing 3 things about a hopper:

1) Can I fit a full 140 round pod in the hopper from a firing position.
2) The alleged hopper capacity.
3) The empty weight.

We reload in 130-160 round increments...so fitting 20-30 extra rounds only benefits me through the first 8-10 seconds of any game I play. If I'm ramping and playing tourney-style? that's ~3 seconds.


hmm...funny thought - Hopper capacity is a function of the capacity of a pod....sorta.
i see what you are saying but the problem is some people are great at reloading and some are not, some have different sized pods, but if you take the weight of a completely full hopper, you are saying this is the maximum it will ever way (yes i know paint and batteries will differ slightly) its like the cerb weight of a car

on a side note, what paint are you using in a rotor? holy crap thats a small count. When i counted mine it came to 190, which is also why I am confused why people say it is too small
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


^^^If you are new, click here^^^


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

^^^ Putting together your tool bag?? Click here! ^^^
Trbo323 is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old April 12th, 2013, 07:55 PM   #19 (permalink)
Established member
 
tlmiller's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: AZ, USA
Posts: 9,221
Mine wouldn't hold the amount of paint that my locklids hold from completely empty. So either loclids hold over 190 or you're rotor is much larger than every other one I've ever seen.
__________________
Yes, I have long since accepted that I have issues, with that said, here's:

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
tlmiller is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old April 12th, 2013, 11:28 PM   #20 (permalink)
Super Legit
 
Trbo323's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Washington
Posts: 14,001
standard size. i did cut out the 3 little prongs dye leaves on the inside from the manufacturing process but at best i am looking at 3 extra paintballs from that. but if i remember right that was after I did the count.

counted it full with paint down the feedneck (not on the marker) and lid closed, that is what was in it
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


^^^If you are new, click here^^^


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

^^^ Putting together your tool bag?? Click here! ^^^
Trbo323 is offline View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Old April 15th, 2013, 08:12 AM   #21 (permalink)
dprimmy
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
From "whirring" - with my gun up and holding a tape line, I was able to fit a packed ANS generic pod's worth of paint (valken redemption pro), but not a LockLid. Sooo... without tipping my marker adn through the new virtue speed feed... I'd say just below ~145 rounds.

If I were to meticulously pack the hopper with individual rounds, making sure the speed feed closes properly and the like... I probably could get similar results.
View My Blog!   Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules

Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


VerticalSports
Baseball Forum Golf Forum Boxing Forum Snowmobile Forum
Basketball Forum Soccer Forum MMA Forum PWC Forum
Football Forum Cricket Forum Wrestling Forum ATV Forum
Hockey Forum Volleyball Forum Paintball Forum Snowboarding Forum
Tennis Forum Rugby Forums Lacrosse Forum Skiing Forums
Copyright (C) Verticalscope Inc Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc. Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.1