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Old August 7th, 2007, 04:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Operating system: Preasure controled poppet (PCP)
The gun also has a one year warranty from the factory

~ The mini weighs in at under 2 lbs, with barrel, battery, asa, etc. Making it one of the lightest all aluminum guns on the market.
~ Works at about 160-200 psi.
~ WORKS ON HP or LP!
~ P.C.P (Pressure control poppet) operating design.
~ Patented proprietary mini regulator/ASA and slipstream solenoid
~ Break beam eyes, multi firing modes (Semi, PSP, NXL, & millennium) with tourny lock. Clamping feedneck (ICD/Impulse/Ion threads). Cocker threaded barrel.
~ No hoses!
~ Stock barrel has a bore of .691
~ Spring returned bolt and a magnetic returned trigger.
~ Uses a hall efect eye system
~ Uses a two stage bolt system, making it more gentle on paint.
~ Electronics in the front grip.
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How To Break In Your Mini's Springs!

Step 1: Set your dwell to 28

Step 2: Set your ROF to 20 bps, and on NXL mode.

Step 3: Set your pressure to just below 200

Step 4: Turn your velocity adjuster in all the way

Step 5: Turn your eyes off

Step 6: Start shooting. You may want to go through 1-4 tanks to break in the spring.

Breaking in the spring should make your mini more consistent, and help reduce blowback by a ton. With the adjuster all the way forward, the gun will get as many shots as possible from a tank.
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How to clean and relube your poppet

Step 1: Remove the bolt assembly: Bolt, spring, bolt guide.

Step 2: Remove velocity adjuster from the back cap

Step 3: Remove the poppet

Step 4: Wipe down all the parts. Put a generous amount of lube on the bolt and all the o-rings. Dont overdue it though.

Step 5: Re-assemble the marker, making sure the return spring snaps back in place.

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Please add all reviews here under this thread to keep this section free of clutter. Use this format.

First Impression:
Feel:
Efficiency:
Maintenance:
Operation:
Conclusion:
Rating:
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I'll go first since not many people other than me have one on here.

First Impression: I was very impressed with the packaging for the Mini. Empire/Invert really went all out here. The case is hard enough to actually protect the marker unlike most of the markers that come in the cheap boxes that bend. Another great perk is the keys and the foam on the inside. The keys allow the case to be locked so no-one can steal your marker. The foam is not the cheap kind. Instead it is tougher but still a little malleable. The final noticeable feature out of the box is the anno. It is uniform all over the marker. There is no difference in color from the frame to the body or the body to the barrel.

Feel: One of my biggest qualms about purchasing a Mini was how it was going to feel. I thought that with the reduced weight and height it would feel like a toy instead of a marker. I was dead wrong. The marker feels very solid. More solid in fact than my PM6 or and of the PMRs I have held. It also feels great in your hands. The grips are designed perfectly. The only complaint I could possibly have is that I am not used to playing so tight. I went from a PM6 with a 68/3000 tank to a Mini with a stubby and there is a great difference.

Efficiency: I was not getting great efficiency. I only got 5 pods and a hopper off of my stubby tank but that was right out of the box with no tweaking or break in period. The efficiency should go up greatly when the marker is properly broken in. I just could not wait to play with it. More data will be posted as it gets more broken in.

Maintenance: The maintenance is fairly simple on the Mini. Unscrew the rear grip frame screw and lube all the orings on the bolt assembly taking care not to lube the bumper or poppit hole. It takes less than five minutes if you know what you are doing. Putting it back together is simple also. Just make sure the spring snaps back onto the bolt. It is conical in design and if it is put on backwards the marker will not operate correctly.

Operation: The Mini operates very smoothly with minimal kick. I had some problems with barrel breaks but once again that was probably caused by the lack of a break in period on the spring. It also could have been caused by the terrible paint I was using. The trigger also was set to be very bouncy out of the box. With a little coaxing it will stop I just have not messed with it yet. Another of the great features of the Mini is the ease of changing modes and settings. Taking off the foregrip screw reveals the board and battery and a little black button that in combination with the power button allows you to change modes. The manual is very informative on this process. A low pressure tank is a must for these markers. Lacking an on/off it is very hard to get the tank off if you use high pressure.

Conclusion: Overall the Mini is a very solid marker. It is easy to tweak and perform maintenance. I would highly recommend it over the ION or the PMR.

Rating: 9/10

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First Impression: The weight, or lack thereof is quite impressive. The packaging is nice, but for me personally, irrelevant as I don't generally strip my guns down after playing, I prefer to leave everything on besides the hopper and throw it in my gearbag and take care of them later when I get home.

Feel: Again, the weight is great, probably the lightest gun I've ever held not including a handful of pumps, but it rivals those too. I did not like how compact it was though. When shooting, my fingers sometimes hit the fingers of my hand holding the fore grip, and it was annoying. The trigger felt a little odd for some reason as well, but I probably could have gotten used to it if I had it longer.

Efficiency: I did not have it long enough to test out efficiency.

Maintenance: The bolt design is simple, should take maybe an extra 2-3minutes longer than your typical spool valve to clean and relube. The lack of a LPR takes away from some more thorough maintenance as well. There's also a vid online of I believe Manike (maker of the gun) completely stripping the gun apart to the smallest part and assembling. A very nice thing to do, most companies don't offer videos that comprehensive or videos at all.

Operation: It kicked like a mule when I shot it, but it was straight out of the box, not broken in. Perhaps it gets smoother later on, I don't know. Was pretty quick. Easy to handle due to the compact and lightweight design. The feedneck is a lever clamping design which I love, although they used Impulse/Ion/ICD threading which I believe to be rather weak. The lack of an on/off for the ASA is rather annoying as well.

Conclusion: Great deal for the price, but not my personal cup of tea.

Rating: 7.5/10

Video/Pictures: None.
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Old August 7th, 2007, 04:53 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Old September 11th, 2007, 07:25 PM   #5 (permalink)
 
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wat wud u say is the best barrell for the mini? i'm thinking about something in between 14-16 for good accuracy as a tape player. is that best? wats the best barrell? if u cud make a list of like 5-6 barrells with all diff price ranges that'd be perfect
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Old September 11th, 2007, 08:07 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Sure, there are some great barrels in each price range:

$0-$40
JJ ceramic
CP classic barrel (IMO, best value barrel)

$50 - $80
1 back pepperstick
Freak Junior
Stiffi

$80 - $130
Full freak kit
Deadly wind whisper (1 insert)(IMO, best barrel on the market)
Full pepperstick
Dye boomstick

$130 +
CP kit
SL kit
Full deadly wind kit

I know i am probably forgetting some good barrels. These are just the ones that popped into my head right away. Any of these barrel will be good on any marker you use. Also i would suggest a 14", as the 16" feel a tad too long, but even if you got a 16" it shouldnt be too big of a deal, just dont go any higher or lower.
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Old September 17th, 2007, 10:46 PM   #7 (permalink)
 
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Exclamation Yippy I Own a Mini!!

Couple dumb questions here....
I heard that you cant use a autococker freak back on a new mini is that true?

Also its awesome that you can use HP or LP.. But is it better to use LP for better air efficency or Hp?
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barrells/air

What threads does the mini have? Will it take all Stiffi's such as angel and dye? Same with freak threads? a 68 ci 4500 psi tank should work fine right? hp or lp? i heard hp is best. j/w if any1 has opinions about this
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What threads does the mini have? Will it take all Stiffi's such as angel and dye? Same with freak threads? a 68 ci 4500 psi tank should work fine right? hp or lp? i heard hp is best. j/w if any1 has opinions about this
Let me clear something up for you: No marker can take all stiff barrel threads without adaptors. You can only have one type of thread on a marker.

Now to answer your questions: The mini has Autococker threads so buy a stiffi that says autococker threads on it. Don't worry, they make them. If you buy a freak kit, again, you'll have to get it in autococker threads.

And yes, the 68/4500 will work fine. I'd go HPA for a little better air efficency.
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Old October 1st, 2007, 12:38 PM   #10 (permalink)
 
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what is HPA? High pressure Air? should it be fixed high or low? correct me if i'm wrong, but is high the HPA? thanx again for all the help.

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can somebody tell me what the best board to get for my mini would be?..im thinking tadao, virtue, or a.p.e. rampage
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i don't think they make a virtue for the mini, correct me if i'm wrong
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how wud a 72 ci 3000 psi tank be as far as gas efficiency with the mini?
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i don't think they make a virtue for the mini, correct me if i'm wrong

yeh they make em..i didnt think they had todao's for the mini either but they do
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hey im completely new to electronic triggers. my next gun is gonna be a mini... i just have a few noob questions.

1. What does dwell mean?
2. Will I get better results with a high output tank? or low output?
3. Is the V.35 board all its hyped up to be for a halo?
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hey im completely new to electronic triggers. my next gun is gonna be a mini... i just have a few noob questions.

1. What does dwell mean?
2. Will I get better results with a high output tank? or low output?
3. Is the V.35 board all its hyped up to be for a halo?
1. Dwell i beleive is how long the gun releases air (or how long a valve stays open) after you pull the trigger. Thus less dwell = better air efficiency but if it gets too low the gun wont fire correctly.

2. High output, plus they work on more guns than low.

3. No, dont get a halo IMO. GO with a vlocity or vlocity Jr. I have a pulse and it works good too. The halos seem to be the most picky and finicky hopper out there, and the heaviest. Ive seen so many of them break and i hardly ever see any Vlocitys break (and i work at a field)
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how fast does the mini shoot and what board does it have? im thinking of getting one
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yes they make virtue boards look on youtube virtue board 2 on the mini
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well this really isnt the place to be asking that. Like how is the equipment in general or the skills and qualitys you learn from playing the sport? If you want to know more make a thread about this in paintball chat.
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yea, i seen that after i posted. Oh well, i was just giving him an answer just in case.
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i never got why the manual says lp only, everyone pretty much uses hp, ive tried both, and havent really seen much of a difference
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Can someone run down a list of the essential things you need to get with a mini, maybe in order of importance?

I think the first few are obvious, but then I get lost.

1) Good loader (Would something like the Viewloader Revolution Eye Force work??)
2) Good HPA tank
3) ...
4) ...

What else do you need? I hear people talking about boards, and electronics and I get lost. Do I pretty much need to upgrade the board from the get go? Or can I get away with stock? (Is it just more BPS?) I'm figuring I'll need to get one of the bolt upgrades, and a DW barrel; but I don't want to be spending all my money on one upgrade when something else is more important. What else am I missing?
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Just get what every marker needs. HPA, good mask, and good loader.

As for the mini, I don't really like the barrel.
Play two three games with it, you'll find out pretty soon what you need and what you dont
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What dwell/pressure should be used after the break in period?

Also I've heard a lot about using LPA vs HPA tanks, and I was wondering if anyone has a clear answer on what to use. I bought a ninja tank that can be set to low, mid (650), and high pressure.

Also I have a new Evil Driver barrel around, is this a substantial upgrade from stock?
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