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Old January 12th, 2014, 07:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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mini asa's

Im looking for an on/off asa for my mini, besides the empire relay what are some other ones that would fit it and work nicely?
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Old January 12th, 2014, 07:40 PM   #2 (permalink)
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the mini ASA is not replacable.
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Old January 12th, 2014, 07:41 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Empire Relay is the only one that works since the ASA is also the regulator.
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Old January 12th, 2014, 07:47 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Yeah I was afriad of that but its not a big deal, I was wondering why the relay was so much more expensive than the CP asa's but then I realized its because it has the reg is in it, KEE should seriously get a clue and put an on/off on the mini
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Old January 12th, 2014, 07:54 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Or maybe I shoulda got a clue and not have bought a mini?
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Old January 12th, 2014, 08:31 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Or maybe I shoulda got a clue and not have bought a mini?
yea, pretty much. At least it was cheap. It's a solid marker, but it's got a lot of quirks like that.
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Old January 12th, 2014, 08:38 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Yeah its decent but its little things like having to take your cover off the fore grip to change modes, no on/off asa, an unserviceable regulator thats on the asa, just things like that, some of those you dont realize as much until you actually play with it and own one for a while
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Old January 12th, 2014, 11:07 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Yeah its decent but its little things like having to take your cover off the fore grip to change modes, no on/off asa, an unserviceable regulator thats on the asa, just things like that, some of those you dont realize as much until you actually play with it and own one for a while
many of the reasons i sold mine. They have to put some form of a cover over the board to switch modes, otherwise it could not be tournament legal

The biggest thing that bothered me was that the o-rings are all custom sized. For someone like myself who has a stock of normal sized rings, it was rather annoying to know that none of them would work for this one marker. I did find that in a pinch you could use some regular ones in place, but it was a lot of trial and error figuring out which size to use where and how much you had to stretch them to get them on and work properly (well, it would work, not as good as the custom sized ones though)

one tip, never take the regulator apart. I made that mistake once, took be about 2 weeks to figure out what I did wrong putting it back together.
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Old January 13th, 2014, 11:26 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Don't feel bad - we've all made similar mistakes at one point or another.

For me - it was dressing up a T98, and then trying to find "budget upgrades".


The truth is - there's a price-value threshold that needs to be found. Once you find it - most items are solid or quality. From experience - most players are going to have to learn this for themselves. They start down the right path - but then start dumping low to mid level dollars into something when a High dollar item will actually improve the performance or offer benefits.


BUT.... You're in you early-mid teens. Enjoy it. I remember getting into paintball a bit later than you - and I didn't have the disposable capital I do now.

...it gets a bit easier when you're older. Except the time element. I never have enough time :\
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Old January 13th, 2014, 01:44 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Yeah i mean i work on most saturdays when im not at the field and make $10 an hour, so when i work one day i usually make $70 to $80 so money isnt that much of an issue, i sell my mini for $200 work 5 or 6 days and have enough money for a mid-range marker that would suite me better than the mini, whats your opinion on a good $500-$700 gun?
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Old January 13th, 2014, 02:18 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Honestly - It is going to come to preference here.

You can get most any marker a model or two back on the Nation for that price range. Go out, find out whether you prefer poppet, dual regulated spool, or single regulated spool...

find out which marker fits in your hands best, feels best, plays the best - and buy that one.


The marker isn't what is going to make you a better or worse player. I prefer a dual regulated spools - but I can play, again, just as well - with my Etek3 fully pneumatic poppet.


At this stage in the game - while it seems like "Sell mine, wait 2-3 weeks, etc...."

So - I guess, I'll attempt to provide you with the life lesson I wish I'd have learned back when I was 14/15/16 - and not had to spend 13 years and... I think $35,000 (so far)learning.

Budget.
BUDGET.
BUDGET.


Set up a system of moderating your income - and stick to it. Money spends very very easily - and cash more-so. A budgetary system doesn't have to be much more than an objective look at where you provision each dollar you make.

Something as simple as:

25% savings
20% Paintball
20% automotive
15% dates/girlfriend
15% Fun
5% Retirement


This sounds like "My daddy helps me budget"... but...I wish I'd figured this out sooner than I had.


The other money thing to take from this is - Credit <HYPOTHETICALLY> is important to have if you're playing the credit game - but always be able to cover your debts. Carrying a $200 balance on a credit card for a year with 15% interest ends up costing you almost 1/2 the cost of the balance.... so budgeting tells you what you can afford - and buying within your means of payoff prevents you from paying $300 for a $200 item.


....I'll stop being Dad now.
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Old January 13th, 2014, 03:26 PM   #12 (permalink)
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i love how "fun" and "paintball" are different categories
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Old January 13th, 2014, 03:33 PM   #13 (permalink)
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well - you can't have overlapping fun and paintball budgets...that would imply that you can spend paintball money on things other than paintball....



....that idea is just....


....down right...

....wrong.
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true, cant be mixing up the money

"But dad im hungry!"
"Sorry son, that money it to buy a case of ultra-evil"
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Old January 13th, 2014, 03:49 PM   #15 (permalink)
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gotta spend money where money is important, no?


It was more or less to outline the saving for planned expenses (since this new marker is in his future) and I thought calling "fun" money "mad money" or "disposable income" would date myself a bit...


turns out I did that anyways.


(and in your hypothetical situation - you would adjust the budget accordingly, shifting funds from the paintball account into the "Feed your fat face" account...likely removing the ability to paintball on a weekly basis...further freeing up more funds)
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Yeah i mean i work on most saturdays when im not at the field and make $10 an hour, so when i work one day i usually make $70 to $80 so money isnt that much of an issue, i sell my mini for $200 work 5 or 6 days and have enough money for a mid-range marker that would suite me better than the mini, whats your opinion on a good $500-$700 gun?
TO ME (and I stress this is my opinion), in the <$700 area, including buying used:

1. Used Bob Long V1 Victory w/ VCOM. Should be around $600-$650. $400-$450 without VCOM, but without VCOM it loses several spots for me. With the poppet engine can get a case (or nearly so) efficiency off a 68/4500, with the spool it's as smooth shooting as a DM or a Luxe while being more efficient than either. Easy maintenance compared to a DM, too.
2. Used Macdev Clone VX. Around $500. Lots of orings, but amazingly smooth and efficient for a spool valve. Also has the nice OLED board stock. If possible, get one that has had the GTi board upgrade, it's $80 otherwise. The original OLEDs are all starting to die, and they are NOT warranty items. The GTi board is a totally new board with non-defective parts (long story, but both Tadao boards and Macdev sourced defective OLED's. Tadao just shrugged and said "oh f'ing well" while MacDev at least offers a trade-in with the original board for only $80 for a new, superior one).
3. Used 2013 Demon. Around $400-$500. While much malinged for early reliability issues on the 2012 models, the 2013 has fixed that, and is very smooth and efficient, doubly so when you consider it's an unbalanced spool. Also has a rechargeable battery and charger with it, so you never have to buy batteries again for it (okay, for several years).
4. Used G6R. I personally don't like shooting them. But for a poppet,they're pretty much impossible to beat. Even the LV1 IMO still fails in comparison. They're probably the smoothest shooting open bolt stacked twin-tube designs EVER made in paintball. And they're wicked efficienct. Over a case off a 68/4500 is possible in optimal situations.
5. New Valken Proton. Only $325. It's not all that efficient, but it's EXTREMELY light, smooth shooting, nice trigger (I'd actually take this trigger over everything else on this list except the Demon), and good warranty. Nice on/off too, and dumb simple to work on with it's amazingly simplistic design. Uses a clapper noid to actuate the spool, so no worries even about overpressuring a solenoid and blowing it. This really is an amazingly nice little marker.

Honorable Mentions:

1. Used Machine Vapor v3. Can be had around $350-$450. Pretty efficient, pretty smooth, nice OLED. Nice trigger. Why doesn't it make the list? Unless you KNOW what you're looking for, they could be passing off a v1 or v2 Vapor as a V3. And the v1's were HORRIBLY unreliable. The v2's fixed those issues for the most part, but the v3 finally makes it reliable, and also made the marker a bit smoother (although less efficient).
2. Used Hostile Rogue. Around $300-$400. Very smooth, light, simple. Nice trigger if you use the magnet return (includes both a magnet and spring). However, the color choices suck. Only black, red, or olive. BLEH!!
3. New D3FY D3S. $300. Based off the Rogue to an extent. Different trigger, a lot of people don't like it, I didn't think it was that bad. Rhino skin cover (very durable plastic) makes it so that it can take a beating without worry about actually hurting something. However, IMO, looks REALLY fat in person due to the cover. Also there are some serious issues with the board, and I wouldn't want to have to deal with trying to get the board flashed after buying it to fix them (currently shipping ones should be fixed, but no guarantees you get one that just came off the line).

Now, I will point out that I'm a bit of a whore, so I have a tendency to purchase way more than I actually need, and I prefer spools. So this list is very spool-heavy.
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Old January 13th, 2014, 11:12 PM   #17 (permalink)
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hahah spool whore. there's literally only one poppet on there, not counting the vic
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Yes, but counting the Vic it's 2. 2/8 is a full 25%...
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Old January 14th, 2014, 01:32 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Thanks for all the feedback guys!
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Old January 14th, 2014, 06:13 PM   #20 (permalink)
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get a g6r. They can be had for cheap (sadly) It's going to become the new axe/mini. EVERYONE owns one, and that means that nobody can sell them.
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I hate axe's. They're the new Ion. Everyone owns one, and thinks it's the best thing since sliced bread.
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Old January 15th, 2014, 03:10 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I hate axe's. They're the new Ion. Everyone owns one, and thinks it's the best thing since sliced bread.
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Old January 15th, 2014, 02:04 PM   #23 (permalink)
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gosh i hadnt thought about them that way but its true.
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Old January 15th, 2014, 05:44 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Except that pro teams use them. That makes them legit.
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Yep! Everythings the pros use and touch automatically turns to gold, I brought my vl200 to world cup and had thomas taylor touch it now it feeds better than my z2
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