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Old September 10th, 2012, 12:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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My son got an Outkast RTP kit for his b-day, and other than a barrel (J&J Ceramic 12" Spyder thread) and hopper (Tacamo Arc dual feed gravity hopper) we're not sure what else will fit it. He wants a buttstoc, (He mostly plays woodsball) but JT doesn't offer their own. I know it's a top cocking stacked-tube blowback Spyder clone. Would a stock that fits any Spyder top cockers fit his gun? How bout bolts, grips, etc? I know that this is a "starter" gun, and many ppl will try to talk us out of dumping $$ into this gun, but my son loves the idea of a "sleeper". He wants ppl to see his "Walmart special" gun and not take him seriously. That way, when he lights up the "hot shots" with their high dollar equipment, it's more humilliating. (LOL) ANYway, any advide would be a big help.
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Old September 10th, 2012, 01:27 PM   #2 (permalink)
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From what I'm finding on this marker, its a sear tipped mech marker - setup as a spyder clone with 2 casing options - stacked tube, and milsim-esque, where the milsim option vaguely resembles a T98.


As far as a stock or the use of a stock goes - adding a stock to this marker in either configuration would move the targeting/aiming concept of the marker away from a (mostly)head-vertical position and and require the user to drop their head/body/neck/back down to lay sideways atop the marker, or further back the user off of the marker, elongating the user's profile...making them an easier target. To boot - the less compact a marker is, the harder it is to quickly and effectively switch hands when trying to keep your opponent guessing.

--The proposed solution would be to learn to effectively shoulder the marker, dropping your elbow downward, and lining your nose up with the bolt of the marker. This allows your hopper to be a "fixture of your head" reducing your exposed profile, removes the "elbow out" issue, and allows you to sight your shots down the top/side of the marker/barrel. If that's confusing, youtube up some airball videos about shooting form. Yes, its not woodsy - but the concepts, formats, and tactics/form translate directly.--

BUT..if a stock is absolutely required- assuming you're firing CO2, you can purchase something like this:
Amazon.com: 5oz CO2 Tank Buttstock Plate - paintball stock: Sports & Outdoors

They've been around for at least 10 years, and are made for most any standard sized tank.



Being budget conscious and knowing how hot/cold people can go on the sport - I'd advise you on upgrading/updating his mask&hopper before any bolt-on modifications to the marker. Largely marker internals (on newer or entry-level things) are fairly fixed. Upgrades are offered, but offer minimal if any benefit and will not make a $100 marker shoot like a $300 marker. A Spyder Fasta or Pinokio hopper would be a welcome addition to his setup along with a mask inclusive of a thermal lens. These would be great starting points - as he'll be able to see his opponents, and not a foggy haze..and every time he pulls his trigger, a round is loaded and ready to fire.

I realize this isn't the answer you wanted - but the $80 in sorta-upgrades or cross-grades is probably better saved, or spent on paint.
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Old September 10th, 2012, 06:36 PM   #3 (permalink)
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you really cant make a "sleeper" in paintball though, its not like cars where you pack a bunch of stuff under the hood and it makes the car go faster when any trained monkey steps on the gas. If you give an experienced player a $50 marker he is still going to be better than a novice with a $1500 marker, in reality your son already has all the equipment necessary to eliminate players with expensive markers, what he lacks is the experience and confidence necessary to do so


so onto the equipment side of things. DP already mentioned the co2 tank butt stocks, those are probably your best bet. Really though he needs to get used to aiming down the side of the marker rather than over the top. if you are aiming over the top often you can not see where the paint is landing because of the arc of it in flight. also as DP mentioned aiming over the top often leaves your head more exposed to being shot.

I would not bother with the marker itself, upgrades for entry level markers rarely do much if anything and are almost never worth the money you sink into them. as far as the marker itself probably the one thing that would give him the most performance is an e-frame and typically those will run you around $100. Now lets look at this from a cost point of view and for comparison lets look at one of my favorite markers for a beginner getting into the sport, the spyder fenix. fenix is a STBB design like your outcast and is $150. for that $150 you get an adjustable double trigger e-frame, regulator, clamping feedneck and eyes on an entry level marker. to get those on your outcast and that is assuming the parts are out there for it which I am not certain they are, an aftermarket e-frame will be roughly $100, regulator around $40-$50 on the cheap side, clamping feedneck $30. so you can see just with throwing some aftermarket on the outcast which you have already spent $50 or so buying the cost is well over that of something you can get that already has all these things on it. not to mention without some extremely custom work you can not put eyes on the outcast and they are one of the best things about the fenix.

so as far as the marker itself is concerned my best piece of advise is to look into the fenix

DP mentioned a mask already and ya, not only is the mask your most important piece of equipment but a crappy one will fog on you and be uncomfortable all day long. Cant shoot what you cant see.

the hopper you have is not bad for a mechanical marker, if you end up with something like a fenix though that is capable of much higher rates of fire you will need something that pushes paint into the marker in order to actually get the paint into the marker fast enough, more on this in a bit

also, you can always get a HPA tank rather than a co2 tank. HPA stands for high pressure air and because all HPA tanks must have a regulator on them the output pressure is much more stable than CO2 which goes through fluxuations depending on temperature. HPA will also be better for the life of o-rings in the marker and is arguably more accurate in some conditions.

I suggest you take a read through the link in my sig, it will give you a lot of the basic information and give you great options for equipment like the mask hopper and tank.
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Old February 23rd, 2015, 02:57 PM   #4 (permalink)
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My son got an Outkast RTP kit for his b-day, and other than a barrel (J&J Ceramic 12" Spyder thread) and hopper (Tacamo Arc dual feed gravity hopper) we're not sure what else will fit it. He wants a buttstoc, (He mostly plays woodsball) but JT doesn't offer their own. I know it's a top cocking stacked-tube blowback Spyder clone. Would a stock that fits any Spyder top cockers fit his gun? How bout bolts, grips, etc?
Im thinking about getting a setup like this, wondering how that all worked out for you and your son. Thanks in advance.
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Doubt he'll reply, he hasn't even logged into the site in 18 months or so.
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Old February 23rd, 2015, 03:06 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I'd be wary about the JT blowback guns. I'm not sure about the quality of them, now that KEE owns them, but they're notorious for being made cheap.
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Old February 23rd, 2015, 03:13 PM   #7 (permalink)
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rule of thumb

if it is a marker
if it says JT
and the next thing does NOT say impulse

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