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Old March 16th, 2005, 07:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Regulator recharging slooooooow (zip kit)

when i fire, the needle on the gauge drops down to zero and slowly climbs back up to 300-350 psi . it takes like 10 seconds. i've heard of bad recharge rates but dayum. i havent lubed this reg yet like it said in the manual (because i couldnt take the reg apart). if thats definately the problem then tell me.

edit// there was some leaking b4 i posted this, but i submerged the front of the gun and it was coming from the gauge, i teflon taped it, now theres not the slightest of leaking.

and the regulator, i adjust it all the way to 0 psi, then slightly loosen it and the psi raises but it never stops until i tighten it all the way. this seems like it should clarify the problem more. i think this means the reg sucks, or that i just need to do a tear down. i've got empire lube for blowbacks, and some hoppes gun oil, but none of that expensive dow 33 that they recommend, would this other stuff hurt the gun? ruin the solenoid?

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Old March 16th, 2005, 07:31 PM   #2 (permalink)
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sounds like it could use a good teardown. and maybe you should check the line from your tank, your asa, and other related items (that come between the tank and where the gauge is).
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Old March 16th, 2005, 07:39 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I'd check all the air fitting first, before tearing into a reg that you've already tried to get apart. Always better to do the simple stuff first. Be sure to look for things that can block the air flow once put together, but look fine seperate. Maybe a macroline fitting or other fitting got threaded in too far and is blocking its own air passage slightly.

If it says to lube the reg before using it, then do that first and see if it cures the problem.
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Old March 16th, 2005, 07:52 PM   #4 (permalink)
 
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another problem, i can tap on the trigger frame of the gun and itll fire. so i'm guessing the wiring is loose or something. when the gun does fire with the full pressure in the reg, it fires a good healthy shot.

let me say my setup

imagine body
zip kit
cip assault block
palmers micro rock
aka lightning bolt
t-board (the one t-board)

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maybe you got your trigger adjusted a little too short. i doubt that it is the battery, since a 9.6 will supply more power to it. maybe you do have a loose wire, take the frame off (if necessary) and remove the cover, jiggle the wires and find out.
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Old March 16th, 2005, 08:05 PM   #6 (permalink)
 
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i've got dow 44, is that okay for regulators?

//edit, theres no way the trigger is adjusted to shortly. the trigger on the zip kit is non adjustable (which sucks) and it flops around .
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i dont know....what brand regulator do you have? most use regular paintball gun oil. but, if not oil, then i would guess dow 33, since most pneumatic markers use that.

im not trying to be misleading, i really am not totally familliar with the zip kit. did the dow 44 come with the kit? if so, then it might be the right thing. im guessing you've scoured the manual already?
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Old March 16th, 2005, 08:24 PM   #8 (permalink)
 
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the zip kit comes with a hpr and lpr. i bought replacements for both. both are palmers stabilizers, the micro rock and the fatty lp stabilizer. the problem is, spyders use those metric threads, and i didnt know anything about that until i bought a steel braided hose and it would fit the new reg, but not the spyder asa. instead of finding an adapter , i'm just going to buy an aftermarket asa with on/off (any recommendations?) .

but i wanted to test my gun now, so i put on the zip kit hpr and asa. so if the reg is dead, not too much of a problem(but i dont think it is). i might send the reg back, b/c i just wanted a functional reg so i could sell to my friend.

dow 44 didnt come with the kit, i found it outside in my dads workroom. yea i've scoured the manual. the reason i havent taken apart the reg and lubed it is b/c i need a strap wrench and i'm not sure what to lube it with .. the manual says not to use regular paintball oil, it recommends the dow 33 or lithium grease. this dow 44 is a greasy lubricant, i just didnt know if anyone knew about it.

thanks for your help so far
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i used to have a palmers, and i oiled it with regular oil.

stabilizer info
http://www.palmer-pursuit.com/techpages/stabinst.htm

rock info
http://www.palmer-pursuit.com/techpages/rock-manual.htm


both use nondetergent air tool oil, or paintball gun oil. dont put dow in them.


also, palmers have a long break in...about 2000-3000 shots before they start working efficiently/properly.

i say oil em up and bust out some shots.
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well the reason it says for me not to use those regular paintball oils is b/c they can damage the solenoid, not the regulator.

edit// now one of the problems is fixed(the electrical part) but i still got this sucky ass regulator problem. like i said its the 'stock' zip kit regulator, not the one i'll be using but its all i have until i can get some hose fittings.

should i use macroline or just stick with the steel braided? the highest pressure that would be in the line would be 800psi which comes outta the tank.
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whichever you want....ss is probably better, it will maintain itself for a longer period of time and can withstand the pressure.

macroline, while easy to change out and cheap, can burst easier and even tho it is rated at 1000 psi, you must make sure that you are buying quality stuff cuz there are some cheap ones out there that cant take it.

its really your call.


about the regs...(in your case) you dont oil them by putting oil in the asa and firing, you are absolutely right about the solenoid thing. if anything, takre them apart and oil them. but, just to be on the safe side, i'd give palmers a call and ask them if dow or any other grease will work. i dont know what reg comes with the zip kit, but i bet it aint a good one, and that may be the problem with your shoot down, some a lot of regs just cant handle the volume (but, you'd think they'd give you one that can, being as the kit ups your speed).
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Old March 17th, 2005, 04:38 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Just making sure here that the steel hose isn't severly bent or kinked up.
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yeah...good point
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Old March 18th, 2005, 09:59 AM   #14 (permalink)
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theres little disc things in the reg. I've heard of people having to remove some or something, check out the Zip Kit thread on pbn..
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oh the shims, yea i havent tried that. i got to fire the gun more and the recharge rate went up, but stil slow enough where you have to wait a second b/n shots. but the gun would fire even when you tap on the side of the gun. turns out the solenoid wireing inside was loose. when we (my dad and i) opend teh solenoid, the tiny minscule wires had broken, and they are waaaaaaaaaay to small to see let alone solder. the guy from custompbsolutions is going to send a replacement.

i've heard lots of complaints about the zip kit. some people will probly have no problem, but some will have to tinker.
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