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Old April 12th, 2005, 08:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Alright...this is making me mad.

Why is it that everyone who doesn't have a spyder say they suck? What's wrong with them? I have had my Spyder Pilot for the btter part of a year and a half and I am perfectly fine with it. It is reliable, sturdy, can accept CO2, or Compressed air, and overall, is a great gun. I have had maybe a total of 3 chops with it since I got it over a year and a half ago. I have the Rocking trigger, dye stickies, a psycho drop, barrel kit, and a halo b with rip. It's just as good as any other paintball gun, yet no one seems to think so because of why?

It is a "stacked tube blowback (spyder clone)" as the main page says? Is it a bad thing to have a stacked tube blowback? I just dont understand. I don't see why that it is absolutely necessary to have a $1500 gun to be able to compete "up to par" with the "pros" out the in tournaments. I keep up just fine in tournaments, and I feel a great sense of pride when I get the guy out on the other team who has a Bob Long Intimidator, or an Angel.

My friend just bought a Karnivore, and I must say, it was **** out of the box. For one thing, it didn't fire at all, and when it did, it shot out a single ball at a time, and he had to recock it after every shot. For $1000, I wouldn't buy that gun if I had to. They are way too complicated and have way to many things to go wrong with them. For instance the three way, or the internals that you have to be careful with so you don't screw up your gun that you just spent an arm and a leg on.

I just want to know why people always make sarcasc remarks in the Buy/Sell?trade forum like, "I'm looking for a gun, I have so and so much money. I want a Spyder or a Tippy, HAHAHA, JUST KIDDING! HAHAH ROFL! WOOT!"

There isnt a reason why spyder guns should be considered on the lower level of paint markers. My gun keeps up fine with all the rest.

Anyone else feel this way? No offesne, but these people piss me off.

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Old April 12th, 2005, 09:19 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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spyders are decent beginning guns. Most people don't make fun of them because they've had one before and know that their reliable. People who do are just ignorant and probably never owned a spyder because their rich dad's bought them a Timmy or an Angel. And about the Karnivore, it's actually a real good gun and higher end guns beside autocockers are actually easier to fix because all they have are basically electronics. With Spyders, tons of things can go wrong. Nothing against spyders, I have one and their fantastic guns. Anyway, most people aren't like that, just the ignorant ones.
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Old April 12th, 2005, 09:28 PM   #3 (permalink)
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spyders have so much kick it isn't funny. I was shooting like 10bps and the kick was pissing me off. This is the #1 problem w/ stack-tube blowbacks, which is why everyone makes sure to buy a electro-pneumatic gun so they get little/no kick.

Most of the ppl on this forum started low-end and bought their way up (typically on their own hard earned cash) and don't want to trade for a lower end gun. Remeber also, paintballers love the newest and latest items.

So, yes, there is hate. And it's because people don't want the "old" style guns, or the kick that comes with them. They want a gun that won't give them wild velocity spikes also. AND, most guns are pretty easy to trouble shot like a spyder, a ram isn't really that complex.

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autocockers are actually easier to fix because all they have are basically electronics
um, no, cockers were the first semi-automatic paintball gun (in my knowledge) and operated by recockering from the trigger pull, which channeled the air (3-way)etc. The e-blade made it electronic by giving a electronic 3-way to channel air and cock the gun.

The karni sucked b/c it wasn't timed. Everyone knows cockers have to be timed to work.
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Old April 12th, 2005, 09:36 PM   #4 (permalink)
 
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Hold on...people don't like the stacked tube clowbacks because they "kick so hard it isn't funny??"

Have you people ever shot a Shotgun? For that matter, a .22 rifle? Oh my god. How can you tell the difference in a kick on a spyder or on a cocker. I shot my firends Karnivore and felt no dirfference what so ever. Honestly. If you guys can't stand the kick of a paintball gun, I would hate to see you all react to the kick of a 12 gauge that's stuck up against yuor shoulders...probably be crying for an hour.

I highly doubt that the so called "kick" is what make people hate guns lime spyders, If it is the reason, they have sad pathetic lives and need to honestly re-consider gettig into a new hobby. Why is a kick so important anyway? It's not like it's making your vision impared? I still see no real reason to hate guns like spyders or tippmanns.

But whatever, your opinion is your opinion.

EDIT: oh BTW, the Karnivore was timed, and it still didnt work, so, don't know where it went worng there. I still wouldn't buy one.
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Old April 12th, 2005, 09:53 PM   #5 (permalink)
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ur friends karni was set up like **** if it had as much kick as a spyder at higher rates of fire. And ppl don't like kick in a paintball gun b/c they know they can get a product where there is no kick. Don't try to bring real guns into this b/c u'll fail miserably in trying to prove any point w/ them.

Kick ONLY affects the accuracy of ur shots as u shoot faster and faster, getting greater kick thowing ur shots farther off from each other.

I also didn't like how u suggested i'm a wuss b/c i find the kick of my gun an annonance and imparment to accuracy.
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Old April 12th, 2005, 10:00 PM   #6 (permalink)
 
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Whats wrong with a Spyder? Ahhh, where to start.................
First, they are made in Taiwan.
They use cheap parts.
Every Spyder I ever sold or serviced has internally died after about 2500 rounds.
Each model is the same exact gun but with a differen't color and some havd added useless parts(like volumizers).
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I wasn't referring to you imparticularly. My Rocking Trigger on the Pilot allows me to shoot at a high rate of speed, and I can get all of my paintballs in a 6 inch to 1 foot radius to where I am aiming. I do not think that the kick affects my spyder's accuracy at all but other people may not think the same. Then again, it could be because they can't steady the gun afer shooting many times, but that may be an acquired ability. Maybe they can though. But just in general, IMO, I do not think that it affects my accuarcy in shooting at all. Maybe for the slightest fractions of a inch, but how can you tell that when firing at a moving target or a standing one for that matter?

I don't want to start a flame war. I just wanted to know a reason for people not likeing guns "of a lower level" such as the spyders.

More opinions?

EDIT: Most of the things you stated in your post right there Warped were opinions. Cheap parts and useless additions. Just because they are made in taiwan doesnt make them bad. Plus, them being "all the same but with different colors." what's the difference between the Bob Long Intimidators then besides the milling, which is basicalle how the spyders are different. I think that your whole post was an opinion without a true, reliable reason of why "SPYDER ARE DA SUCKIEST YO! HAR HAR my! IMPY! LIMPY TIMMY! IS SO MUCH BETTEORZ" not saying you say that, but a lot of people feel that way.

EDIT 2: Internally dying after 2500 rounds? Ha! I go through that much in on outing of paintball and I have yet to replace a bolt, valve, or springs throughout the entire gun. Don't state things that you do not know anything about.

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I meant high end guns beside autocockers are easy to fix. I'm aware that if you mess up an autocockers timing then you have a lot of work ahead of you.
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Old April 12th, 2005, 11:03 PM   #9 (permalink)
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people dont like blowbacks because they own better guns.

if someone gave you a choice, a free timmy or a free spyder, what would you choose?
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wha? someones giving away a timmy?! I want one.

Compared to my impy they are loud and inaccurate and inconsistent and ugly.
I like piranhas better than spyders because they look better and the EVO is the best stacked tube blowback electronic marker out there in my opinion. It operates at a lower pressure than spyders (200psi) and it has eyes. I ALMOST like Kats EVO as much as my Impy....almost.

So basically I base my dislike of spyders on the fact that they are ugly and its not the best stacked tube electro blowback.
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Old April 13th, 2005, 11:58 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Have you people ever shot a Shotgun? For that matter, a .22 rifle? Oh my god.
yes you are right..and if peopel were shooting a shotgun or .22 at 10-15 bps they wouldn't buy them either. It's a well known fact what spyders have some of the worst kick of any paintball marker(someone's gonna say but there is this marker X..well maybe there is, and peopel don't like the kick on that either )

another thing is that they are very loud..ever heard a higher end marker fire? it's so much more quiet compared to a spyder.

last but not leaast is speed(this kinds goes along with kick), blowbacks can only go so fast, but even if they are shooting as fast as possible, the kick is so bad that the accuracy drops.

I'm not sayign sypders are bad markers..heck I still am wait to save up fro a better marker...iI'm just saying they are the lower levels of paintball.
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Old April 14th, 2005, 03:22 PM   #12 (permalink)
 
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There isnt a reason why spyder guns should be considered on the lower level of paint markers. My gun keeps up fine with all the rest.

Anyone else feel this way? No offesne, but these people piss me off.

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There are reasons. Spyders are lower end guns, you can tell by the price. I've held and shot a few high ends, and theres not a HUGE difference, but the small differences are enough to where a serious player wouldnt want to use a spyder in a tourney. Higher end guns, besides having better regulators and pneumatic operation, have less kick, and to me they felt lighter weight. as far as accuracy, that seems the same.

stick with your spyder, its about the same as the high end guns. unless you go pro.
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Old April 14th, 2005, 09:35 PM   #13 (permalink)
 
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People who do are just ignorant and probably never owned a spyder because their rich dad's bought them a Timmy or an Angel.
So because im own a timmy that makes me rich? or makes my dad rich? lol... you made yourself sound stupid in your own statement because your calling people ignorant for thinking spyders suck, and then you say that everyone that owns a timmy or an angel is rich, and had their dads buy them guns.

I paid every dime in my timmy and i am proud to walk on the field with it. Ya'll just make these threads just to make yourselves feel better about having a low end gun. Its a place to start, but not a place to stay; so give it up, spyders are LOW end.

think of it this way, a proffesional car racer, and your dad. he may think, hey.. my honda is just fine, i dont see why all these racers talk smack about it, cause all their rich daddies bought them their cars...
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[QUOTE=onesikpup]people dont like blowbacks because they own better guns. QUOTE]

you are totally right i am the only one of my freinds to have a spyder and they always saying it sucks and stuff and then when i shoot em they just shut up or when there gun wont work i just look at em and say "Whos gun is better now?" and they just say Shut up im agreeing with OnesikPup they own better ones so they dont like the lower end ones
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yes you are right..and if peopel were shooting a shotgun or .22 at 10-15 bps they wouldn't buy them either. It's a well known fact what spyders have some of the worst kick of any paintball marker(someone's gonna say but there is this marker X..well maybe there is, and peopel don't like the kick on that either )

another thing is that they are very loud..ever heard a higher end marker fire? it's so much more quiet compared to a spyder.

last but not leaast is speed(this kinds goes along with kick), blowbacks can only go so fast, but even if they are shooting as fast as possible, the kick is so bad that the accuracy drops.

I'm not sayign sypders are bad markers..heck I still am wait to save up fro a better marker...iI'm just saying they are the lower levels of paintball.
A spyder can cycle at 48 cps, 52 with polished internals...thats faster than most...

and, kick is virtually nothing on ALL PB markers. youre timmy/angel/cocker/whatever probably has less, perhaps even a noticeably lesser amount, but COME ON, is it really enough to annoy you, or to stunt your accuracy?!

Weight...this might be an issue for a six year old...

"So because im own a timmy that makes me rich? or makes my dad rich? lol... you made yourself sound stupid in your own statement because your calling people ignorant for thinking spyders suck, and then you say that everyone that owns a timmy or an angel is rich, and had their dads buy them guns.

I paid every dime in my timmy and i am proud to walk on the field with it. Ya'll just make these threads just to make yourselves feel better about having a low end gun. Its a place to start, but not a place to stay; so give it up, spyders are LOW end.

think of it this way, a proffesional car racer, and your dad. he may think, hey.. my honda is just fine, i dont see why all these racers talk smack about it, cause all their rich daddies bought them their cars..."

about you....he said flaming noobs, if you are one of them, then he did mean you. He did not attack all high end gun owners.

Oh and after you've seen a Talon owner bunker an angel owner, you will realize the ratio is 1% gun to 99 skill

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Old April 21st, 2005, 03:43 PM   #16 (permalink)
 
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so what if a spyder can cycle 48? show me a spyder that can SHOOT as fast high end markers, then talk... CPS means nothing. all guns have very high CPS... put your dwell on 1 and crank up your LPR, and it will rip like theres no tomorrow, but can it shoot that fast? no.
and this thread is about low end haterd, not about how a talon user can bunker an angel user.
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Old April 21st, 2005, 04:17 PM   #17 (permalink)
 
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personally, i think there is a difference. my dad has a tl-plus and i owned a tippy for years. but theres no way your gonna tell me a spyder is just as good as my g7.
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Old April 21st, 2005, 04:37 PM   #18 (permalink)
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okay, let this thread die. We all know it's partially marketing and that the player makes a huge difference. This has all been argued before.
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Old April 21st, 2005, 04:51 PM   #19 (permalink)
 
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no man.. this is a perfectly valid thread, if you dont like it, then you can just ggeetttt outtt.
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Old April 21st, 2005, 05:38 PM   #20 (permalink)
 
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He says that his friends karny sucked, but under his name it says "Proud karny owner". Am I the only one who finds that odd.
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i thought it was odd too
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I think Spyder's can keep up with high-end markers if their upped well enough. I have $420 into my Imagine and it's gotten to the point where it's basically a high-end gun to me and the people I play with. So what an Angel can shoot 40+, are you ever gunna get part 20 bps in semi? No, so why does it even matter if you need that high of a number? T-Boards can go up to 36, that's well enough speed for any player out there.

What, Spyder's aren't accuarte? Well duh it's stock, just get a nice barrel kit and you'll love it. To me, it's like buying a RX-8 and being lazy insted of buying an Eclipse or Civic and giving it ups. Overall upping a Spyder and buying a high-end gun, upping is just easier and cheaper. Plus while you do that you learn a lot about the gun and which parts can be upgraded. With my gun i've learned so much that I didn't know before and i've been playing for 5 years. Just my opinion....
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well, i've only played 4 years, and I have shot and worked on many spyders. I just find that my angel performs better. Its much more efficient. And with a bit of bounce, I can hit 25+ bps, while my friends with spyders are limited to about 15. I mean, if a spyder was just as good as an angel or a timmy, why would people buy timmys and angels? Why do the pros use them?
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Just my 2 cents:

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I mean, if a spyder was just as good as an angel or a timmy, why would people buy timmys and angels? Why do the pros use them?
I honestly think it's mostly status. Straight out of the box an angel or timmy would obviously out perform any stock spyder. A properly upped spyder would be cheaper and close up so much of that gap that there really wouldn't be enough of a difference in performance to matter. Also keep in mind that the pros have big (marker manufacturers?? Hmmm?) sponsors that want thier markers to be seen out there just so the little rich kiddies that no nothing about how to actually use a marker can have thier mom or dad run out and buy one for them. I can't tell you how many little kids I've seen at the local field with tricked out markers that didn't know that there was a velocity adjustment on the marker.

Personally, I don't even use a Spyder. Both or my markers are "spyder clones" made by Gameface and even when they were stock I held my own against players with tricked out spyders, cockers, and one a-5 with a resonse trigger. (Thing was loud as heck but the dude was laying paint down so thick that it didn't even matter)

The high end markers are obviously going to come with higher quality parts in them and have more work put into them durring manufacturing. That's why thier so expensive. But that's really no reason to "look down" on spyder/spyder clone owners. I mean, who doesn't up their spyder anyway? And 99% of the game is the player and not the equipment so big deal if they have a marker that's higher quality out of the box?

Just bunker them and let them feel the shame of losing to an "inferior" marker. Heck I love tagging guys out after they rag on me for using a spyder clone and not even a spyder. It kind of makes them look silly when I've only got about $80 into my marker. And last year all had on my Bonedaddy was a 13.5" ACI One Peice Zero Gravity barrel and a bottom line kit and my E-rex had a 11.5" ACI One Peice Zero Gravity barrel, bottom line kit, and a modded bolt. This year I added a spudnukl bolt to the Bonedaddy and a Mongoose LCD frame and a spring kit to my E-rex. I also picked up a remote kit for cheap. I won't even guess about how much some of those guys had sunk into thier markers.

That's the great thing about spyders/spyder clones, you can up them as you progress through paintball without dumping a ton of $$$ up front.
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jesus christ this is sad...
Spyder clones = low end

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