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Old May 21st, 2005, 11:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Weird Problem with Imagine, and how to pimp it out?

Alright well instead of buying a new gun I've decided I'm just gonna get my current Imagine tricked out, got a couple questions...
I'm havin a little bit of a problem with it, it will MAYBE shoot one or two balls then burp then I have to recock it. Sometimes it won't burp, but if a ball is in there it will practically just fall out and I'll have to recock. There are no leaks and the CO2 can was full. The guy at the field tried putting like 10 different springs on it and they all did the same thing, although the springs were made for Piranhas. I couldn't hear him well but he said he thought it was something called the sear, or maybe he said seal? He said it probably wouldn't be an expensive repair but could someone tell me how to replace it so I don't have to pay for labor at the paintball shop?

And another unrelated question, I've already got a Progressive 14" barrel and a Halo loader, and I've pulled the trigger back as far as it will go, what else can I do to get it tricked out? I'd like to get HPA for it, not sure what all's involved in that...do I just get a reg and a tank and hook it up or do I have to change some stuff or what?
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Old May 22nd, 2005, 11:34 AM   #2 (permalink)
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lol, why did you not ask him what he said?
the sear is what the hammer catches on...basically is it's worn down it wont' catch and that causes the gun to burb and not re-cock. if it's the seal it's also easy. jsut buy a new one from kingmann and install it.

the sear comes out by takinga pin out. get a nail and hit the silver pin that is right under teh sear(it's the part that sticks out of the top of the trigger frame) and punch it through. be careful that you punch it the right way, otherwise it will never stay in again. the correct way to punchit out is so that it pops out on the side with the writing.

when you get ti out make sure you know where the spring goes back in..if it's a mech it'll be a little tricky putting it back in but keep at it, it's very doable.

HPA is a universal and therefore , a very good upgrade to get. dont' need a reg but if your'e worried about it you can get one. jsut screw it in and play..easy as that.

I'd tell you mroe but I gotta get to work. I'll let people like torch tell you stuff i dont' have time to type.
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Old May 22nd, 2005, 11:34 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Wish I could answer you questions, but I don't really know the answers. I got a few guesses but I don't think they're right.

Anyways, I don't think you need to buy a reg for HPA, but it will come in handy. I suggest you buy it later on down the road.
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Old May 22nd, 2005, 11:41 PM   #4 (permalink)
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ok I'm back from work and i can finish this up.

the cupseal is a part on the valve that (supprisingly) seals air from escaping.

if it's bad you're not getting enough pressure to have it re-cock and you'll be shooting really slow also. buy a new seal from kingmanna and pull out your ASA (the one on the front. dont' jsut screw up the silver piece, take out the whole part the silver piece is attached to) !!!NOTE: be sure to remember how it goes back together!!! then take out the seal, put the new one i and put it all back together(oh yea give it a few drops of oil also) that's all you need to know.
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Old May 23rd, 2005, 10:46 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Was it excessivly cold outside when this was happening? Has it warmed up and have you tried shooting a little in the warmer weather? CO2 doesn't really care for being cold, and you might just have had not enough pressure.

Piranha springs could be shorter. I doubt they are, but I can't say for sure since I've never compared them against a spyder drive spring. If they did turn out to be shorter, then the tension on the hammer would be weak and the valve wouldn't open fully.

Martix is right, Cupseals are pretty simple to replace. Keep a hand on the front ASA when you're taking it off though. It'll jump a little once the screw is loose enough, and there's a small chance you could lose something. Lapco and other after market cupseals are generally regarded as better than the Kingman seals. They're 'softer' and can get a better seal against the valve face. Bad cupseals tend to just cause horrid leaks in my experience, but don't rule it out.

What I would do is just tear the gun down, clean, oil, and check everything against what it Should look like, with the key parts being the ones related to the problem. In this case, the hammer and bolt, and the valve and air system. Put it back together and try again.

Take the grip off, but you won't need to take it apart just yet. Have a look at the sear. It'll be poking out the top of the frame. The edge should be square and not cracked or rounded at all.

Now take the internals out, check over the hammer. Make sure it has a good O-ring on it. If you squeeze it between your fingers and it bows out-wards alot, it is not good or it's too big. Also look at the flat bottom of the hammer. Same as the sear, it should just be square and not rounded. Check the bolt and the internal chambers too...basically just make sure this is clean.

Also, check that the spring guide is not missing. It's the black pin shaped thing that should be in the lower tube with the hammer and spring. Or, if it isn't there, there should at least be a small metal disk. You can get by with one of these missing, but both missing will cause problems. Without them, the spring doesn't tension against the velocity adjuster and the hammer might not be hitting hard enough because of it.

Take the front ASA off like they told you to above, the spring, little guide plate, and cup seal will come out. The valve won't. Have a look at these, maybe give it a little oil, put it back in the same way it came out.

Once you're sure everything clean and in good shape, give all the O-rings you see (hammer and bolt) a little oil and get it back together. See if it'll dry fire, then try it with some paint.
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Alright well instead of buying a new gun I've decided I'm just gonna get my current Imagine tricked out
Theres your first mistake. Dont do that, get a better gun, you'll be glad you did.
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Old May 23rd, 2005, 02:21 PM   #7 (permalink)
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thanks for finishing this off for me torch. I dont' like gonig into details like that

they way i see it peopel shoudl be able ot figure most things out..but i'm usually wrong
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Old May 24th, 2005, 06:17 AM   #8 (permalink)
 
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Could it be that the strikers worn down too? Also how would springs help the sear catch better?
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