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Old November 22nd, 2009, 04:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Spyder Noid Silencer

So, the parental units always tell me how annoying it is when I dryfire my Spyder VS2.5 in the house, so I began to think about how to silence the noid.

The noid basically works like this:
Sear constantly pushed down on the noid stem, keeping it down
Pull the trigger and it activates a pulse of electricity, sending momentary energy to the noid
Noid slams forward and trips the sear
Sear slams the noid back into its resting position


About that slamming part... I needed a way to buffer those areas.
I tried springs, but that didn't work too well; they were too long and didn't allow for the noid to trip the sear, and wouldn't stay in place.

Then I though of rubber bumpers... wait a sec... O-RINGS!!!

After removing the noid from the gun, I found that the noid stem can completely slip away from the noid body.
On the stem, I added a super tiny oring that I got in a kit, and an oring behind the noid.

This made a HUGE difference in the way the noid sounded, but still...
When the noid came back to the resting position, it still made a pretty hard popping sound.
I concluded that the popping came from the back of the noid sealing with the oring behind it.

Solution?
Cut a section of oring away!

So, after putting the super tiny oring on the stem of the noid, and cutting a small section off the oring, it seems that the Spyder Noid Silencer got as good as it gets!


I'll post pics up soon, and maybe a video tutorial for those interested!

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Old December 1st, 2009, 06:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Just like a real gun isnt it bad to dry fire a paintball gun.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 06:46 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Well, even the real gun thing is debatable

I honestly don't see the problem
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Old December 1st, 2009, 06:54 PM   #4 (permalink)
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it's no different than shooting it with paint.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 06:59 PM   #5 (permalink)
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i dont either. I just have some friends who are gun nuts and they say to dry fire a gun is bad. Ive heard the same for markers. But i agree i dont see the problem.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 07:06 PM   #6 (permalink)
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it's bad for a firearm. but a poaintball marker is just fine.
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Old December 1st, 2009, 07:06 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Did some research. Back long time ago firing pins would break in rifles and guns, not so much any more. and other than a little bit of wear on the bolt or "o" rings nothing major will happen to the marker.


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i dont either. I just have some friends who are gun nuts and they say to dry fire a gun is bad. Ive heard the same for markers. But i agree i dont see the problem.
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 07:44 PM   #8 (permalink)
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another reason why firearms and markers have NOTHING in common

azn- im confused, if you are dry firing i fail to see how the actual pancake noid is being annoying over the air being released, and if your clicking the noid i have to wonder what you are doing so much that requires you to click the noid so much?

wait........are you in bed with your marker?

.....just be sure to use a barrel cover.....
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 07:49 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I am not using any air, just cocking the bolt back and pulling the trigger
By doing that without the silencer, I used to be able to hear the noid click over the hammer hitting the valve, now I ONLY hear the hammer hitting the valve, nothing is noticable from the noid.

I basically did this mod to stop pissing off my parents when I would practice walking the trigger, it keeps everyone happy


And yes, I do use a barrel CONDOM...
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 08:05 PM   #10 (permalink)
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well you can do that without it even on, but whatever, i have a man cave so i dont need to worry about the parentals upstairs, i can work with air.....usually

ya i dont think spyder cared much about how loud the noid was when they designed it....punks, gosh why didnt they think of that?

i think we need to pass the word along to miller to be using a barrel condom around here, afterall he is the self proclaimed marker slut.....
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Old August 17th, 2015, 11:05 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Dry Firing Is Bad.

I know im resurrecting things here but LISTEN UP.

For certain firearms (rimfires like .22's) dry firing will screw you over. The firing pin slams into part of the receiver, if there is no round in the chamber. This is why repeated dry firing of a .22 will eventually lead it to stoip firing normally or at all. I had to replace the firing pin component of a bolt action 22 because of this. That's why when you go to a gun shop and ask to dry fire a rimfire gun like a 22, they will say no way! Even one dry fire messes the pin up a little.

Now, for other centerfire firearms (most everything else- shotguns, 9mm's etc) it isn't as bad to dry fire, but the pin still goes farther than it is supposed to go, and has to be stopped by hitting something metal, generally, which isn't good for the pin assembly usually. So it isn't a good idea to dry fire. I am sure some guns don't get hurt from repeated dry firing due to their design, but why risk it? no reason. Now with a paintball gun...

paintball markers are designed to have resistance when their valve dumps gas. Depending on the valve design, having no ball in the chamber will cause the gun to act differently and the fire cycle to be different. It will allow the valve to dump air with less back pressure and depending on the design, could wear something out sooner. For most guns it isn't a huge deal but I would not make a habit of practicing w/ two fingers by dry firing. First, it isn't the exact same feel or action as if there are balls being fired. Second, it could have a negative impact long-term.

Will your paintball gun really notice the difference if you dry fire it a lot? Maybe. It truly depends on the valve design. For some valve designs, it might actually be EASIER on the valve to have no resistance. But here is a good rule of thumb for us all to 'try' and abide by: If your gun is meant to fire a cartridge/bullet, then don't fire it without one in the chamber. If your gun is meant to fire a paintball, then don't fire it without one in the chamber.

Good news for us is that paintball guns are designed with some dry-firing in mind, like if you have to clear your barrel or have a misfeed here and there, etc... so yes the average paintball gun will probably be fine with some dry firing. just don't get really carried away. And don't expect that if you can dry fire fast, that you will be able to rapid fire paint at the exact same rate.

Also remember that more destructive than dry firing is forgetting to keep things lubed. So keep it clean, keep it lubed, and most importantly AIM TRUE!
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and the winner of the necri-post contest is you!

dry firing is fine, doesnt matter what valve you have as long as its anything recent-ish, some older mags would throw a few parts out of the barrel if you dry fired but anything today is fine. with operating pressures getting so low and balanced valves coming into play there is very very little difference force wise on the valve when firing with a paintball and without anymore.

dry fire away. I would rather something break and I find a weakness in one of my markers at home rather than on the field in the middle of a game anyway.
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bob long pillow bolts wont like you either
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Old August 20th, 2015, 10:36 AM   #14 (permalink)
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dont those essentially operate on the same principals that the old mag lv-10 or x bolts did? and that is why it was bad to dry fire them?
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dont those essentially operate on the same principals that the old mag lv-10 or x bolts did? and that is why it was bad to dry fire them?
no. The rubber tip can fly out if you dry fire them.
However, I think that the G6R premium bolt solved it. I'm unsure of the marq and insight/onslaught though.
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ok so besides a few isolated parts/markers its fine to dry fire your marker

if you are in question as to if your marker is ok to dry fire, it is. You will know your marker is not ok to dry fire if you have one of the very few that can not take it.
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the most efficient way to dry fire is hold a wookiedick in the barrel. you can dry fire, it gets muffled, and you get back pressure
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