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Old September 5th, 2013, 04:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Spyder Rodeo Help

Hey guys, this is my first time posting on this site, so I hope I have this thread in the right place.

Okay, so I've been having trouble with my Spyder Rodeo. Up until a few weeks ago it was completely stock. The regulator went bad, and I wasn't unable to find a stock reg for it. So I replaced the original VA with a vertical CA tank adapter and a remote coilhttp://i.ebayimg.com/t/New-Spyder-Pa...8(Q~~60_35.JPG

But the issue I have now is that when firing the marker it will either double fire and chop paint(I mean the paintballs are completely destroyed inside gun.)Or it will fire rapidly like it's out of Co2.
Now the only difference with the new vertical CA tank adapter is that the hole on the valve spring side is much larger then the stock VA, so the valve springs will just fall right out. So what I did was use a longer screw to mount the CA tank adapter to the body so that it would hold the valve spring in place.
But it did not have this problem before removing the reg.

Is something I did causing it to do this? Or I was told it could the striker and/or sear?
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Old September 5th, 2013, 05:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
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If it was working fine until you replaced the stuff, then it seems logical that whatever you put on it is causing the issue.

Can you elaborate about what you mean about using a longer screw; I'm a little confused about that part.
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Old September 5th, 2013, 05:47 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Here is a side by side pic of VA's, the left is the new one, and the right is the stock piece.


The spring only looks crooked because it is in loose.

The screw you see in the pic is what I am using to keep the valve spring in place. It's main purpose is to attach the VA to the body of the gun. I just put in a longer one so it come's up high enough to hold the valve spring.
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Old September 5th, 2013, 05:52 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I would use an even longer screw, and see if that works better. The spring may not be put into place as well as you think it is. I like your style though, that's pretty good thinking.

It's interesting that the new one does seem to be missing something. I wonder what they expect you to use? Maybe try contacting the company to see what they say about it.
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Old September 5th, 2013, 06:33 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I was kind of thinking the same thing, maybe because the screw only catches the bottom of the spring the pressure is not even, and not allowing the cup seal to do it's job? I'll have to go to the hardware store and try to find a longer screw, that was the longest one I had with the same threading.

I agree that it seems like something is missing, I even double checked the package.
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Old September 6th, 2013, 05:35 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Okay, I found a longer screw so it now goes to the top of the CA adapter and holds the spring in place just like the original VA did. The only difference is that the screw is set back just a little further then the stopping point for the valve spring on the stock VA. No big deal, I'll just use a longer spring.
So I put it all back together again, and it was still the same, every time a pulled the trigger it would rapid fire.

I installed the stock spring back in with the new screw and it did a little better. It would rapid fire every couple of shots, and it didn't last as long.

The gauge reads 800 psi until I have about 30-40 shots left then you can see it get lower(It's always been this way). So when my Co2 started getting low I watched the gauge while I was shooting, and when it got down between 600-700 psi it shot great! For 12 shots, then it got down to 500 and it just wouldn't re-cock since there wasn't enough Co2 left.

This really has me stumped here guys, I've been working on this for weeks and have torn it down I don't know how many times now and can't seem to figure this out.

If anyone has a suggestion please let me know....Any help will be appreciated.
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Old September 6th, 2013, 05:40 PM   #7 (permalink)
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It's sputter like that because the valve isn't being opened long enough, that's why it's exactly like running out of air.
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Old September 6th, 2013, 05:55 PM   #8 (permalink)
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That's what I thought, so maybe a weaker valve spring?
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Old September 6th, 2013, 06:05 PM   #9 (permalink)
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maybe.

What went wrong with your stock regulator/asa? Is there any chance that you can gut it, and use it instead?
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Old September 6th, 2013, 06:38 PM   #10 (permalink)
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The stock regulator was leaking out of the adjustment screw.
I have gutted it and replaced all of the o-rings. and put teflon tape on the adjustment screw. It would still fire just fine with the leak,but when I put the teflon tape on the screw that was leaking it would not re-cock.
I was going to try to replace the reg with a new one, but it has been discontinued by Kingman, and the stock reg attaches to the va with two allen screws, instead of being threaded like most reg's. So that rules out the option of using a new one.

Also when the leak started it was not sudden, it started out really slow and all I had to do was adjust the screw a little and it would stop. I played all day like that with no issues, went to play the next day it was still slow but constant. So I used my backup VL Triad for the day. Went to use again a week later(forgot about the leak =P)and it was so bad, the entire reg would freeze over.

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Old September 6th, 2013, 10:03 PM   #11 (permalink)
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have you tried adjusting the new reg around to see if it will re-cock just fine?
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Old September 7th, 2013, 08:01 AM   #12 (permalink)
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It no longer has a reg, but I did try adjusting the old reg and screw after putting on the teflon tape, but had no luck.
I tried to get a new reg, but I couldn't find a va blcok for this gun that could use a standard threaded reg.

This is the current setup I am attempting to use.
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Old September 7th, 2013, 10:13 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Spyder Adapter: Outdoor Sports | eBay

here is one

and your remote line into the marker is not standard ASA? I have not heard of one that is spyder thread
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Old September 7th, 2013, 11:17 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Spyder Adapter: Outdoor Sports | eBay

here is one

and your remote line into the marker is not standard ASA? I have not heard of one that is spyder thread
the spyder redo was a weird marker. It actually used a regulator, but it was not threaded like normal things. It attached very strangely.
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Spyder Adapter: Outdoor Sports | eBay

here is one

and your remote line into the marker is not standard ASA? I have not heard of one that is spyder thread
That is exact one I ordered. But what I received is what you see in my post above. A Co2 tank can thread into the new va, but it does not have a pin valve depressor, so that's why I'm using the remote line instead.

The Rodeo reg attaches different then most markers. Actually I think the Sonix is the only other that I know of that is also this way.
Here is the original VA and regulator. The reg is attached to the va with two allen screws.


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