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Old January 8th, 2005, 10:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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problem with my e frame

I asked this I have a victor 2 and I recently purchased a used frame andwell here the problem


Its been acting really weird! Yesterday I set it up and when I shot it with balls in the chamber, they all broke! Its not a chop but they actually broke!(from pressure?) I tried shooting the gun without any balls in the gun and it made thst spuddering sound but It was going on for a long time and my WHOLE gun got really cold. It did the same thing today. And what made my gun work yesterday was...I oiled it up. But that didnt work today. Today I would try to shoot the gun and it would shoot but it sounded kinda like a spudder whenever it shoot(I wasnt out of air though).

So after that I take my tank off then back on and air leak out the hose...tighten that up. Then later on..I decided I couldnt play because it was acting up but this guy takes my gun up. Shoots it (still making the weird spuddering sounds) but...when he put balls in there it shoot normally(no weird sounds or anything)??? wtf? Earlier today after my whole gun got colder(I guess this is freezing up?) this guy took and o-ring out (from the valve/VA area)and it was broken...I replaced it with a clear one o ring because I didnt have any black ones..and it seemed to work

What could be causing all this? I use the striker that came with my victor 2 with the esp frame btw...
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Old January 8th, 2005, 11:49 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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Still doing this after you replaced the o-ring? It should work fine now, if not, check all o-rings, tighten all air connections, use sticky tape (plumbers tape) on threads to air connections, just to make sure. If none of that dosent work, then I dont know what to tell you...
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Old January 9th, 2005, 12:16 AM   #3 (permalink)
 
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Heres the deal...I did replace the o-ring and I was able to play....aight

After the o ring was replaced I palyed a game and it was working great. But from the early incidents I wasted a lot of CO2 and ran out in that game so i called out.(after getting this guy in the army out :P ). I mean...I GUESS the problem is solved and it shouldnt act up but what got me nervous was the fact that it acted up the first day and messing with it and oiling it that day got it to work. Then the next time i play i try to shoot and it does that spuddering thing where it was wasting all my CO2 and the guy opened it up and the o ring was broken. I dont think that o ring was broken from the last game..what do you think could eb causing this? I would obviously shoot my gun to see if it work but im still out of air.

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Old January 9th, 2005, 12:23 AM   #4 (permalink)
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go to otterscustoms.com (i beleive is the site) do the polish mod, this will help everything move easier w/ out the oiling and should cut down on bolt sputter.

Ur pballs might be to big for ur barrel causing them to break. That or ur shooting to fast for ur hopper (shouldn't if u have a electric hopper)

On the air leak when u took ur tank off did it come out the ASA as u unscrewed? B/c thats not a leak, that just getting rid of built up pressure. It happens to all of us.

Ur gun is getting cold b/c the co2 can't convert to air fast enough. Only solution here is shot slower.
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Old January 9th, 2005, 12:28 AM   #5 (permalink)
 
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Well when the gun was acting up I wasnt even shooting fast. Maybe one or two paints balls at a time. And also nah bro it was a loose hose because after we tighten the hose up it was leaking(it was leaking as the tank was on my gun)
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Old January 9th, 2005, 12:07 PM   #6 (permalink)
 
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Also, if you have a electro frame on your victor 2 and set it to auto, the gun will freeze all the time, also, you dont have a expansion chamber on your gun, do you? So, your co2 isnt converting from liquid to air, so your getting little shots of liquid co2 in your gun, destroying your o-rings. Happens to me too, common thing. Get your co2 anti-siphoned or get a expansion chamber.
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Old January 9th, 2005, 12:21 PM   #7 (permalink)
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^dang i forgot hes got no expansion chamber. Yea, so if u dont even have a chamber then ur co2 is going to have lots of trouble converting to air, leaving u w/ a constantly freezing (and therefor locking up) gun. So ur bolt keeps getting frozen b/c of co2 problems. Tell us if the bolt got cold every time it spuddered, if not then we gotta rethink all this. I still recommend polishing internals.
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Old January 9th, 2005, 04:50 PM   #8 (permalink)
 
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*UPDATE*

We went out to the woods today and my friend put the e frame on his radeo and it was working perfect! wtf? I tried it on my gun before he put it on his and when I shot the gun it shot the ball and sputtered a little at the same time..then i tried again and it broke the ball(not a chop but it actaully just broke it) and sputtered even more.
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Old January 9th, 2005, 06:49 PM   #9 (permalink)
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well then, you can rule out the frame and the sear as a problem. check out other things. swap out individual parts with your friends gun until you find the culprit.
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Old January 9th, 2005, 08:04 PM   #10 (permalink)
 
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Ok cool. The guy who I bought the e-frame from is suppose to be sending me a striker he used when he had a e frame so I will try that out and my friends stiker if it doesnt come tomorrow. Thanks for the suggestion. Im suspecting its either my bolt of striker. Anyone here by chance can show me what e-striker looks like?
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there is no e-striker. its the same no matter what kind of trigger frame you use. your friend may have an "after market" striker, which would mean that it is not produced by kingman. so, you could use your friends striker for a test.
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Old January 9th, 2005, 08:38 PM   #12 (permalink)
 
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^^ He doesnt have a aftermarket striker though... his rodeo is stock. Damn what could it be if it isnt the striker?


edit: I automatically assumed that the striker for the esp frame was different because kingman took the time to include one with the e frame when you purchase it.
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yeah, but then how do you explain being able to use it (the frame) on your friends rodeo?

and, i was talking about the dude you bought the frame from (who might have the AF striker)....


anyways......i hope you figure it out. i had a similar prob with my piranha, as it turns out, it was the co2 that was messing me up. occasionally little spurts of liquid would get inside and cause burping. of course that may not have been all that was wrong, it was just the last thing i fixed that made it work right.
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Old January 9th, 2005, 08:54 PM   #14 (permalink)
 
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im starting to think maybe a reg will solve it? If everythign else fails I think a reg can solve it....possibly..
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Old January 9th, 2005, 08:55 PM   #15 (permalink)
 
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Umm..The rodeo would work way better with the e-frame, cuz the rodeo has a expansion chamber and reg, so it would work way better than your victor.
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a good reg would definately help....might i suggest the palmers stabilizer?
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Old January 9th, 2005, 11:35 PM   #17 (permalink)
 
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^^ Thats what I want but I was thinking about the bob torpedo because its was like half the price. Is that a good one?
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bob longs are good regs, among the best. the real reason i suggested the palmers is because you are using co2, and palmers is the best for co2. im not sure about the torpedo, you might wanna check out the air equipment forum....a quick search for "torpedo" ought to bring up something..
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^^ ok thanks. When my friend gets home im going to try and hookup the reg on his gun to mines and see what happens.
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the torp apparnetly does ok w/ co2, i however have no firsthand knowledge w/ it.
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Old January 10th, 2005, 09:07 PM   #21 (permalink)
 
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Couldnt find a key small enough to take the reg off today so I will bring mines over tomorrow. I hope I dont need anything extra to make it fit on my gun.Im just going to take the reg and the whole bottom line and put it on my gun.

Just keeping you guys posted since your trying to help me :P
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*UPDATE*

First off let me start by saying that today ws a really ****ty day.

Ok so now about my gun..Ive run into other problems now. We took the reg(including the gauge, cupseal, and lpc..everything but the valve) off the rodeo and put it on my gun. Then we hooked the CO2 up and went out side and it was still making the same burping sounds! So then we try using the striker the guy I bought the e-frame from sent me. My friend dry-fired the gun 6 times and it made the burping sound twice. After that we put a stock bolt that was in another victor 2 into my victor 2 and thengassed it up again...it was just as bad as it was without the new striker and reg..it burped like 4-5 times.

This all went down in a length of about an hour and 20 minutes because i kept going back and forth to my house(live across the street lol) to get stuff. So after all that we dont know what to do (the only thing that was still in my gun that was originally in there was the valve). I go to try and take the screw that holds the lpc in..but guess what. It was in there too tight. Im guessing my friend put it in there way too tight because I tried to take it out and it didnt budge. Then he tried and the hex broke! So he gets a wrench and tightens it around the long part of the hex and tries to loosen it up....that was a no-go because after trying that out for a little he ends up stripping the damn screw. So after that he starts prying the throngs on the washer off thinking its going to help him get it off. But he only succeeds in scratching the **** out of my gun.

Now im really aggravated. I dont know what to do. I guess I can get a drill and try and re thread the screw but I dont know anyone with one so im going to ask the construction teacher at school if he will do it for me...even then I still dont know whats wrong with my gun

If it makes any diff the seller told me the frame came off a e99 after I requested he send me a striker.

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maybe your valve is screwed in too tight......if memory serves, i had a problem like that once, but then again....i own a fish. did you ever get the right oring for the valve anyway?

good luck on getting that screw out.
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Old January 12th, 2005, 10:57 PM   #24 (permalink)
 
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Well all I know is, I took the screw that holds the valve in and tried to take out on sunday but after i took the screw out I tried pushing the valve out and It moved half an inch and no more. I dont know what to use to knock it out.

Wouldnt it be crazy if for all this time there was a broken o-ring on my valve? Ive owned this gun since summertime (july) and ive NEVER taken the valve out. I cant get the ****er out. But its even worse now because now that, that screw is stripped I can even access it.

thanks again for trying to help me
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Old January 12th, 2005, 11:01 PM   #25 (permalink)
 
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This is the screw that is stripped..this is not my gun btw lol

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