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Old May 15th, 2005, 06:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Lord of the Flies

anyone read it? i got questions to do and i dont know the answers

"Explain the significance of the folloing: the shedding of the cloths, painted faces, and long hair"

this is from chapter 4
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shedding of the clothes is the shedding of civilization. The painting of the faces is to show how they mask their faces, to show how they change into more primal beings. The growth of the hair is to give the reader an idea of how long they have been stranded on the island.
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shedding of the clothes is the shedding of civilization. The painting of the faces is to show how they mask their faces, to show how they change into more primal beings. The growth of the hair is to give the reader an idea of how long they have been stranded on the island.
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the paint is a mask, to hide behind so.. i cant really remember.. but something about hiding behind it to justify what they were doing.. or something
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OMFG I HATE THAT BOOK

i hate overanalyzing books. like, what if the author just wrote the book cuz he had a good story to tell? if i wrote a book and people overanalyzed it I'd be pissed, i wouldnt let them read it anymore
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Just read the book. Its not that hard.
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Books are not meant to be analyzed, they are meant for enjoyment. What Carmas said sounds good to me, I read that book last year and we had to do the same thing. It was torture.
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shedding of the clothes is the shedding of civilization. The painting of the faces is to show how they mask their faces, to show how they change into more primal beings. The growth of the hair is to give the reader an idea of how long they have been stranded on the island.
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Books are not meant to be analyzed, they are meant for enjoyment.
truf. thats y i get so pissed at teachers asking "what does ___ represent?" it doesn't represent anything, it's a fuggin book just read the damn thing, say "that was good" or "that sucked" and move on
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Amen, you should see my teacher. She annotates on EVERY book she reads. If it's a library book, she uses sticky notes, and tapes them to the pages.
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truf. thats y i get so pissed at teachers asking "what does ___ represent?" it doesn't represent anything, it's a fuggin book just read the damn thing, say "that was good" or "that sucked" and move on

wow you couldnt be more wrong. Lord of the flies has tons of symbolism, that was intentional. Sure plenty of books dont, but those arent the ones you analyze in class. The reason you over analyze these books in class is because of the deep, profound meanings that the authors slip into the lines, that add more meaning to the book than just words.
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I know it has symbolism, I'm not saying it doesn't. I just don't wanna go in and do stupid tests just about the symbolsim. I do figure out in other books what the symbolism is just fine without the prodding of a teacher.
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yes, granted the teacher and lessons about it are slow, boring and rarely interesting, but teachers use the books as a method of teaching kids about literature, and writing techniques. Though iv hardly found it useful myself.
I found lord of the flies to be a great book when we read it, i took a lot of interest in it.
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Yea, if you get a chance to see the movie, that's not that bad if you like the book.
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OMFG I HATE THAT BOOK

i hate overanalyzing books. like, what if the author just wrote the book cuz he had a good story to tell? if i wrote a book and people overanalyzed it I'd be pissed, i wouldnt let them read it anymore
novels like lord of the flies are considered literature because of that reason. theyre meant to be analyzed. if you honestly cant analyze something, it just shows something about how intellectual you are. but honestly, thats the idea of literature - it can be interpreted anyway you want it to.
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novels like lord of the flies are considered literature because of that reason. theyre meant to be analyzed. if you honestly cant analyze something, it just shows something about how intellectual you are. but honestly, thats the idea of literature - it can be interpreted anyway you want it to.
I could analyze it if I wanted to, but I don't because I don't read books to analyze them, I read them to enjoy them. now when the fk would I use this analyzation in real life? unless the boss writes cryptic memos or something, I think it'd be much better to keep teaching grammar and stuff like that. have you seen how bad people's grammar is, even AFTER graduating high school? using "your" instead of "you're", etc. and plenty of people don't even know how to READ higher than a 5th grade level. it's really quite sad. this is why i support the high school exit exam, that way you can differentiate between the valedictorian and the slacker pothead, cuz as of now they both get the same exact diploma, which is bull****.

I'd rather read books than literature
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It's a great book. Granted, I never had to read it for class..

And the exit exam is so easy that if you are actually worried about it, I'm worried about you.
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It's a great book. Granted, I never had to read it for class..

And the exit exam is so easy that if you are actually worried about it, I'm worried about you.
lol, ME worried about it? i coulda passed it asleep. what's REALLY sad is that a MAJORITY of the state failed it....and it's at a 10TH GRADE LEVEL shows just how retarded all the juniors/seniors are. they delayed using the thing a few years because all these asshats failed it, and they *****ed and moaned that they wouldn't graduate
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The growing of their hair symbolizes them growing into savagery. As you notice piggy's hair does not grow, and through the entire story he stays calm and logical.

We're doing the same thing in English, it's a bunch of bull****, just read the summaries on these sites and you'll be good.

http://www.homework-online.com/lotf/index.asp

http://www.gerenser.com/lotf/

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Piggy made me sad. When I was younger, I was like piggy... except I was the only white boy who was friends with the black kids, so that little choir-punk wouldn't have dared call me Piggy. I'd have f*cked him up.

I even wore glasses, and I definitely would have acted like him. I was such a porker when I was in 4th grade.
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The reason why high schools use the book is because by the end of the novel, Golding is bashing you over the head with a 2x4 of symbolism. It's so obvious that even the dumbest kid in the class will understand it to some extent.
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