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Old May 27th, 2005, 12:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Who, what and why do you think we will go to war (or wars) with?

I've got a small list to give you an idea, it can be really anything, REALISTIC.

Terrorist cells (already happening)

Iran

NK

Unoffically China


What kind of weapons do you think they'll use? What kind of weapons are in testing now to prepare against this? (do you think, at least) . Anything else you can add would be interesting...

It can be against anybody i think, but i think what i suggeted is most likely.

I'll post my ideas/scenarios later.
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Old May 27th, 2005, 12:45 PM   #2 (permalink)
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NK and China will remain a cold war....for now./
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Old May 27th, 2005, 01:24 PM   #3 (permalink)
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We'll never go to war with NK unless It like a serious threat. They have the backing of China and while we could win the war, it would be a long drawn out one with a huge loss of life on both sides. And we all know the American public *****es if even one soldier dies.


We wont go to war with Iran any time soon. From a military and political view, it would be disasterious. We simply dont have enough troops to handle engagements in both Iraq and Iran.

We have what, 150,000 troops in Iraq? Take military actions agains Iran and your going to piss off the Shia community in Iraq who have been supportive of American forces. Fighting the Shia is a problem we dont want to deal with, if they were to rise up against U.S. military units in Iraq, the situation over there would be untendable without tripling our forces in just Iraq. Then you would have to worry about personell in Iran.

It would just turn into a big mess no one in their right mind would want to deal with.
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Old May 27th, 2005, 01:26 PM   #4 (permalink)
 
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A cold war with china isn't out of reach though, neither is a watchful one with Iran.

The troops in Iraq are basically barrowed troops from PACCOM to CENTCOM.
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We need to slap around NK, and get the hell out of the middle east. Irsael and Palestine will fight forever... Iran went from uber pro AMerican, to uber UBER fundamentalist Islam... so that's all bad. If there's one thing I hate, it's Holy Wars... cuz those are always the worst. Middle East will get us into a bunch of 'em... so we just need to leave.

And I still say WWIII is gonna start in Asia... Iran next to Afghanistan next to Pakistan, next to India next to Bangladesh... and they all hate eachother? That's where it's gotta start. STUPID England separating India into 3 parts... idiots.
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We need to slap around NK, and get the hell out of the middle east. Irsael and Palestine will fight forever... Iran went from uber pro AMerican, to uber UBER fundamentalist Islam... so that's all bad. If there's one thing I hate, it's Holy Wars... cuz those are always the worst. Middle East will get us into a bunch of 'em... so we just need to leave.

And I still say WWIII is gonna start in Asia... Iran next to Afghanistan next to Pakistan, next to India next to Bangladesh... and they all hate eachother? That's where it's gotta start. STUPID England separating India into 3 parts... idiots.
exactly what i was thinking. now if only the IRA could get some USA backing we could just say bye bye england.
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Old May 27th, 2005, 02:10 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I bet somewhere in my lifetime saudi arabia will have a conflict with us, a good majority of the terrorists and insurgents come from there.
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Old May 27th, 2005, 02:15 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I think China is a bigger problem.

We are allied with Taiwan, which is an independant county made up of people who left China when it went communist.

China has threatened MANY TIMES to invade Taiwan, and likes to do "missile test" off the coast of Taiwan every other month to scare Taiwan.

China invading Taiwan is the worst-case-scenerio for the USA, since we would be expected to defend it. And I mean REALLY defend it. (Not do whatever it is the UN does). It would be a bloodbath.... that we would win.

NK is also a major threat. communism has destroyed the country, and NK desperatly wants to invade SK to it can swipe its resources.
NK is waiting for 2 scenerios:
1- The USA leaves, NK invades SK, then go back and defend.
2- NK gets a "big allie", invades SK, then we defend.

The middle-east is also a mess, but its hard to quantify since the threat is frm Muslim Facists who lack a national identity. The only way to deal with that is to stop the facism, and try to install democracies. Not an easy task.

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Old May 27th, 2005, 02:37 PM   #9 (permalink)
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If China gets involved in anything, it'd be real bad. Real Bad.

I don't want to see another war or a large war. WWIII will be the last war.

The saying, "I don't know what WWIII will be fought will, but I know WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones"
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I think China is a bigger problem.

We are allied with Taiwan, which is an independant county made up of people who left China when it went communist.

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I thought we still had the one china policy in which we see Taiwan as a part of China but still have special diplomatic arrangements with them.
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Old May 27th, 2005, 03:32 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I thought we still had the one china policy in which we see Taiwan as a part of China but still have special diplomatic arrangements with them.
The official position is:
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The United States would not formally recognize Chinese sovereignty over Taiwan.
But the truth is far more complicated. Taiwan considers itself independant, and it is a free, capitalist democracy. But the US has no official policy regarding the issue. The reason is that Chinas policy is that they will not deal with countries that recognize Taiwan as a legitimate country. (only 26 actually do, including the Vatican)

The US has tons of money dumped into BOTH China and Taiwan, and is going TO EXTREME efforts to keep both happy.

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i agree with HP_lovecraft China and Taiwan would be fighting now if it wasn't for the Navy batleships making a barrier between the two. Also NK and SK b/c NK wants nuclear weapons
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Old May 27th, 2005, 03:37 PM   #13 (permalink)
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WWIII will be the last war.
unfortunately true... We would end up starting off with air attack, ground fighting,small bombings and then someone would end up sending off a nuclear bomb and once one sends at us we're going to send ours at them immediately. And so on...
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Old May 27th, 2005, 04:03 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I doubt WWIII would be the end of the world, but there surely would be extremely high civilian casualites from all countries involved.
If we invade NK, we're going to have quite a few problems too. Iran could turn into something very bad very quickly. Really though, I don't see any formal wars going on against any countries. The next 50+ years will all be fighting terrorism. We'll just have to see how far the war on terror takes us, hopefully not to the point of a nuclear holocaust.
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Old May 27th, 2005, 04:12 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I doubt WWIII would be the end of the world, but there surely would be extremely high civilian casualites from all countries involved.
plus nuclear winter, global anarchy, nuclear fallout, radiation, destruction of countries at a time. im scared, because i think the biggest target (besides washington) would be new york city, and i live on long island. but i always have this feeling in the back of my mind, that in my lifetime there will be another nuclear bomb of some sort set off... im afraid for the future
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Old May 28th, 2005, 02:48 AM   #16 (permalink)
 
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okay war to me is just a population control and it is in our genes to fight. human love to fight if you look at our history everything that has any meaning was designed for war or during war. what is the quote necessity is the mother of all invetion. well war is the ultimate mother. to tell you the truth i am not really worried about who we go to war with but what country is going to be strong enough to wage a long term war with the US and still come out on top. china could do it but they have now way to get people over here for a land operation plus thier navy is S**T.

my guess:

NK

CHINA

GREMANY (bc they love to fight and we love to fight them)

screw the middle east let isiral take care of them

any way has anyone studied any military history?? a land war in asian is next to impossible *cough* vietnam and korea are good examples. plus it would end up in a nuke shot.
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Old May 28th, 2005, 11:27 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Why the hell would we go to war with Germany? And if they love to fight so much, why didn't they send troops to Iraq?

We wouldn't go to war with any modernized, civilized european country. It just wouldn't happen in this day and age. We will never go to war with any countries such as France, Germany, Spain, Mexico, Poland, etc.

Israel and the middle east is a whole other issue. Israel has shown time and time again it can maintain its existance against its often militant arabic neighbors. They are better armed, better trained, and actually use legitimate fighting tactics. Which is why so many of Israel's under trained, under armed enemies are forced to use dirty fighting tactics like suicide bombers.
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What I think WWIII will be started by a coalition forces from many different countries against us. Since te collapse of the Soviet Union, the power structure of the world has been one sided for a while. Back then you had the 2 Superpowers that sort of cancelled each other out, because both sides knew the other side could blow the crap out of them. Now we don't have that so a large portion of the world sees us as the playground bully. I think it is only a matter of time before many nations join forces and give us a serious beat-down and diminish the unbalnce of global powers.
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whatever wins i suppose.

The real threat will probably be China in the long haul, we're already preparing a cold war with them again........

china is growing as a military power too, its Air force and Navy can and probably will catch up to us if not surpass us at some time.
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We would not be able to compete with China once they ascend into power.
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well if there was some alliance against the US and it's allies, it would probably be led by middle eastern countries, and some south east asian countries. and my guess would be that there would be two theaters. the middle east, and southeast asia. middle east would probably try to invade israel, and then north korea would probably try to invade south korea. then india and pakistan nuke each other. its complicated, but then again, im sort of basing an idea from how theother world wars started.
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The M.E. is simply an organized distraction, to keep the people's attention off the real threats to us and to help manipulate us, IMO.
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I think China is a bigger problem.

We are allied with Taiwan, which is an independant county made up of people who left China when it went communist.

China has threatened MANY TIMES to invade Taiwan, and likes to do "missile test" off the coast of Taiwan every other month to scare Taiwan.

China invading Taiwan is the worst-case-scenerio for the USA, since we would be expected to defend it. And I mean REALLY defend it. (Not do whatever it is the UN does). It would be a bloodbath.... that we would win.

NK is also a major threat. communism has destroyed the country, and NK desperatly wants to invade SK to it can swipe its resources.
NK is waiting for 2 scenerios:
1- The USA leaves, NK invades SK, then go back and defend.
2- NK gets a "big allie", invades SK, then we defend.

The middle-east is also a mess, but its hard to quantify since the threat is frm Muslim Facists who lack a national identity. The only way to deal with that is to stop the facism, and try to install democracies. Not an easy task.

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i dont think we'll have a major war anytime soon, but if we do, it would be with china
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Old May 28th, 2005, 05:25 PM   #24 (permalink)
 
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#1 kim jung ll invades SK
#2 useless UN sanctions
#3 US goes to defend SK
#4 china worrys about the US being so close to its borders
#5 china enters the war
#6 NATO enters the war
#7
#8 **** has hit the fan

or something like this may happen
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Old May 28th, 2005, 05:28 PM   #25 (permalink)
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All I can say about WW3 is that if history continues its pattern adn repeats itsself, then the US will stay out of the war as long as possible, then go in and give fresh blood. That's all we really were to our allies in WW1, and WW2 was really not much different.

And if the pattern does repeat, we're looking at the bloodiest war ever... Quite possibly the use of nuclear weapons would destroy the world. I dont think we're ready to have a WW3.

I think Einstein will be right in his famous quote. I hope I never live to see any war, but like mentioned, humans and war are inevitable.

I know how its going to end up if we win. 25 years later, the US is going to be the bad guys again.
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