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Old August 5th, 2005, 07:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Prisons: Rehabilitation or Punishment?

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Is the goal of incarceration to punish the guilty? Or is it to keep them away from society while they can be fixed?
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Old August 5th, 2005, 07:30 PM   #2 (permalink)
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both. (btw i think its funny when ppl pronounce it "boLth" with the L in the middle...try it yourself, you might say it like that and not even know it, i dont tho)
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Both because for more serious crimes punishment and death (life sentence/death sentence) but for the mentally challenged chriminals, rehablilitation.
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Prison is worthless. It's supposed to be a rehabilitation measure, but it is totally not a rehab measure. Most convicts will leave and either commit crimes again, or be ****ed in the head from prison.
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Old August 5th, 2005, 08:06 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Prison is worthless. It's supposed to be a rehabilitation measure, but it is totally not a rehab measure. Most convicts will leave and either commit crimes again, or be ****ed in the head from prison.
damn are you a carpenter? You hit the nail right on the head.
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Old August 5th, 2005, 08:17 PM   #6 (permalink)
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only thing that comes out of prisons are BM and BA...Big Muscles and Bad Attitudes
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Old August 5th, 2005, 08:38 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Spare me the political crap, but if you want a good book explaining what needs to be done with the prison systems, I suggest Guns, Crime, and Freedom.

If you're want to read the other parts, w/e, but the parts about prisons and the judicial system are grade-A writing.
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I have to disagree with some of you, its not suppose to be a rehibilitation center. Its suppose to be punishment. Hell why would they have it they way it is if it wasnt? if it was for rehabilitation they would let them live their normal lives and see a phsychiatrist.

Its like they say, you did the crime, you do the time.

Not you did the time, we make you better.

Prison= punishment, with some rehablitation(but not the purpose they are there)
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I have to disagree with some of you, its not suppose to be a rehibilitation center. Its suppose to be punishment. Hell why would they have it they way it is if it wasnt? if it was for rehabilitation they would let them live their normal lives and see a phsychiatrist.

Its like they say, you did the crime, you do the time.

Not you did the time, we make you better.

Prison= punishment, with some rehablitation(but not the purpose they are there)
When prison was brought to this country, it came as a rehabilitation measure. If you stick someone somewhere for 20 years of their life for killing their neighbor, you are going to try to reform them, no? Prison is punishment, and rightfully so. But it is also a failed form of rehabilitation.
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Prison is worthless. It's supposed to be a rehabilitation measure, but it is totally not a rehab measure. Most convicts will leave and either commit crimes again, or be ****ed in the head from prison.


Its the only deterrent against crime... what else would you have us do?
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I have to disagree with some of you, its not suppose to be a rehibilitation center. Its suppose to be punishment. Hell why would they have it they way it is if it wasnt? if it was for rehabilitation they would let them live their normal lives and see a phsychiatrist.

Its like they say, you did the crime, you do the time.

Not you did the time, we make you better.

Prison= punishment, with some rehablitation(but not the purpose they are there)
the prison system actually (is supposed to have) has 5 purposes; Rehabilitation, Retribution, Incapacitation, Deterrance, and Restitution

ya I took criminology classes
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Its the only deterrent against crime... what else would you have us do?
Some deterrent, huh?
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Some deterrent, huh?

Good point... but there's no other way. Other than torture... that would be a way better deterrent.

Not that I advocate that. But it is food for thought.
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Good point... but there's no other way. Other than torture... that would be a way better deterrent.

Not that I advocate that. But it is food for thought.
Look, I'm all about prison and stuff, but make it work. Just locking someone away in a cell for 20 years doesn't accomplish anything. Look at the Gulags in Soviet Russia - they scared the populace ****less. Why? Because it was actually Hell on Earth. THAT was a deterrant. NO ONE wanted to go to the Gulags. Absolutely no one. This country needs SOMETHING a bit more than just a cell sentence.

What is that something? I have no idea..
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We need TRUE sentancing.

If the judge says 60-life, you serve 60-life.

You don't get out after 20 for various, rediculous reasons.
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the prison system actually (is supposed to have) has 5 purposes; Rehabilitation, Retribution, Incapacitation, Deterrance, and Restitution

ya I took criminology classes
Yes, but WHY are they having to do all 5 of those? AS A PUNISHMENT!
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both. (btw i think its funny when ppl pronounce it "boLth" with the L in the middle...try it yourself, you might say it like that and not even know it, i dont tho)

i agree with both your statements. Prison should be a place where prisoners are punished and are also being prepared for when they get out.

(to comment on the boLth thing. I HATE IT!! why put extra letters in it's like how some people say waRsh instead of wash)
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Old August 5th, 2005, 09:20 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I got it. I know the solution. Kill them.

Honestly, if you take a mans life for any reason other then accident, or self defense, you deserve to die. Firing squad, drowning, I dont care how painful/less. Just make it cheap.

They get warm meals, a roof over their head, running water and a toilet in every room. Many law abiding americans don't even have that.
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Old August 5th, 2005, 09:21 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Yes, but WHY are they having to do all 5 of those? AS A PUNISHMENT!
do you mean that it should only be retribution? because not all cases are cut-and-dry you did something very wrong and now you deserve to be punished.
like the 3-strikes law in cali. people have gone to prison over very small things that were considered their third strike. granted, they did 2 things wrong before, but what if they were living a clean, normal life since those 2 bad things, and the third was a mistake, maybe they didnt even do it or it was an accident or something like that. do you think it's REALLY fair to put them away for decades because of this 3rd strike?
on the other hand, there are people addicted to drugs. they aren't even in the same ballpark as cold-blooded murderers. their crimes are not malicious (in respect to their drug use, not crimes related to it like shooting their dealer etc.), as in not committed to harm others or deprive others of their rights. why should they receive the same sentence as someone who knowingly and willingly took someone else's life?
those murderers, as well as the rapists, molesters etc. SHOULD be locked up forever, which is not only retribution but incapacitation, cuz they arent going to be raping and molesting children if they're in prison til their dicks fall off (so what if they rape some other rapist, he deserves it )
and it is true that prison is not a deterrent any longer. I'm sure some homeless people commit crimes just so they can go to jail or prison because at least there they get 3 square meals a day and a bed to sleep on. it really should be hell on earth, but then it would likely be considered "cruel and unusual" and because of the wussy society we live in, it wont happen any time soon
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I got it. I know the solution. Kill them.

Honestly, if you take a mans life for any reason other then accident, or self defense, you deserve to die. Firing squad, drowning, I dont care how painful/less. Just make it cheap.
but then you have the chance of killing those who are wrongly accused
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but then you have the chance of killing those who are wrongly accused

They wouldn't know that once they were dead.


On the other hand, its totally inhumane. Would you sentence someone to death for anything from insurance fraud to murder?

Shouldn't the punishment fit the crime?
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They wouldn't know that once they were dead.
no they wouldn't, but the family of both the accused and the murdered could later find out, and the actual murderer would be free

On the other hand, its totally inhumane. Would you sentence someone to death for anything from insurance fraud to murder?

Shouldn't the punishment fit the crime?
I don't think that's the issue at hand here. but yes, it should and usually does
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Well, yea, there are obviously many flaws to the KILL THEM ALL!!!! theory. I was just joking around about that.

I was saying the punishment should fit the crime as a counter to the afore-mentioned theory.

I agree, it usually does.
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I think neither, the way the US penal system is set up it is not a real punishment nor does it serve as a place of rehabilitation. I think we are far. far, far to soft on criminals.People are too worried about protecting the criminals rights, however IMO by commiting a crime, they have forfeited all rights and deserve no protection whatsoever. Personally I think we need a four-tiered system for punishment:
Tier 1: Minor misdemeanors (non-violent), typically the current jail sentences of less 12 months. Immediately following the conviction they should be publicly beaten whether by caning or by a whip- then released under supervised probation, with any violation moving them into Tier 2 treatment.

Tier 2: Serious Misdemeanors (those involving violence) as well as minor Felony (non-violent), typically current jail sentence of 5 years or less. Immediately following trial a public beating like in Tier 1 followed by confinement for no less than 5 years. The confinement would consist of 12 hours of hard labor, 4 hours of education (academic or trade skills) 3 days a week and 8 hours of confinement in a solitary cell of 10 feet by 6 feet with no TV, Radio, ect. Following release they must serve 1 year as a servant to the victim of their crime, with a maximum of 10 days off during that year, including sick time. Any violation moves immediately into Tier 4.

Tier 3: Serious Felonies (not counting capital offenses), sentences of typically 6-15 years. They would be required to serve a minimum of 20 years, where they have forfeited all rights to society. Some would be used to serve as human testers. Instead of using animals for research, prisoners in Tier 3 would be used. Those that are not used in experiments would be confined under the following condition, 14 hours of hard labor, and 10 hours in solitary confinement in a 10 foot by 6 foot cell. When in the cell they will not be permitted to talk or communicate with any other prisoners. They would not be allowed any education or training since they have commited crimes too severe to offer rehabilitation. Any Violation moves immediately into Tier 4

Tier 4: Capital Offense (including but not limited to rape, murder, kidnapping, child molestation, ect.) Following conviction they will be given the right to one appeal 90 days from the conviction. For those 90 days they will remain in solitary confinement. This 90 days does not apply to offenders from the lower levels who have violated the terms of their punishment. Immediately after the appeal upholds the conviction they will be taken out of the courthouse and publicly hung. They will be given 5 minutes prior to the execution to place phone calls to family, as many as they wish to call in that 5 minutes.

*Also much like the 3 strikes policy* the third conviction of any offense regardless of how minor, is automatically moved to Tier 4 punishment.
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