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Old August 11th, 2005, 02:11 AM   #1 (permalink)
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went to the track

well I went to the track today. it was about 100 outside so it wasnt the best conditions but oh well.

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I1(60') 2.193
I2 6.162
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I4 12.355

et 14.780
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that was my best of 3. the other 2 runs [email protected] and [email protected]

my o2 sensors are reading lean all the time so the car is running rich. in addition to that was the 100+ degree weather and running street tires. when i get the rich condition fixed and some better tires (and cooler weather) it should run a lot faster
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Old August 11th, 2005, 02:13 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old August 11th, 2005, 05:27 AM   #3 (permalink)
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pic of timeslip please.
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Old August 11th, 2005, 06:23 AM   #4 (permalink)
 
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pic of timeslip please.
i doubt he'd lie about his car. lol.
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Old August 11th, 2005, 11:41 AM   #6 (permalink)
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pic of timeslip please.
if I claimed to have run 12's then you'd need a timeslip. why the hell would i lie about running high 14's?
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yea 14s is isnt something to lie about

what do you normally run?


this heat sucks, people who should be running low 13s are runningi n the 14s, but the heats affecting turbo cars alot more than n/a cars
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i dont know what i would normally run, this is my first time at the track. but i was told that it should run mid-13s, and with better weather, tires, and the right a/f ratio it just might get there (i hope)
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if I claimed to have run 12's then you'd need a timeslip. why the hell would i lie about running high 14's?
Well I'm sure hes used to Hondas, where a high 14 is considered lightning fast.
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Well I'm sure hes used to Hondas, where a high 14 is considered lightning fast.
seriously, there were civics out there running 16s, and one even went into the 18s my last run was against a TURBOED civic and it ran a [email protected]

there was an old bug that was in the 11s tho
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A kid I know took his BMW a few weeks back and ran a 16.8 at 83 mph, it's a 1980's six series that he did some light mods too. To give you an idea of how fast (slow really) that is, my Mazda Tribute (a small SUV) does the 1/4 mile in an average of 16.7 at 83 mph stock. Don't feel too bad about 14's.



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Old August 12th, 2005, 01:50 AM   #12 (permalink)
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well when i have ported heads, a cam, cobra intake, 3k stall converter and 3.55 gears and it's as slow as stock ur damn right im gonna feel bad about it
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Well I'm sure hes used to Hondas, where a high 14 is considered lightning fast.
I've been to my share of drag races, I'd just like to see the timeslip if I can...
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well when i have ported heads, a cam, cobra intake, 3k stall converter and 3.55 gears and it's as slow as stock ur damn right im gonna feel bad about it
Shoulda put in 4.10s

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And this is pretty much the timeslip.

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well when i have ported heads, a cam, cobra intake, 3k stall converter and 3.55 gears and it's as slow as stock ur damn right im gonna feel bad about it
The time sounds pretty close to me to what it should be running. Normally 5.0L fox bodies ran about mid 14s to low 15s stock with a good driver, a 14.7 sounds about right for your first time running it and should get faster as you get more used to it. When you think about it a cam is really for torque and polished heads and intake arn't usualy a huge increase alone. I do think 4.10s would have helped a bit though, I mean 3.55s is the stock gear ratio V8 mustangs use now and even in the Cobra it feels as if it should be a little lower. The fox body is lighter, so it probaly feels about right for everyday driving, but not for drag racing.



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Old August 12th, 2005, 07:44 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Shoulda put in 4.10s
shoulda not, I get bad enough gas mileage as it is

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The time sounds pretty close to me to what it should be running. Normally 5.0L fox bodies ran about mid 14s to low 15s stock with a good driver, a 14.7 sounds about right for your first time running it and should get faster as you get more used to it. When you think about it a cam is really for torque and polished heads and intake arn't usualy a huge increase alone. I do think 4.10s would have helped a bit though, I mean 3.55s is the stock gear ratio V8 mustangs use now and even in the Cobra it feels as if it should be a little lower. The fox body is lighter, so it probaly feels about right for everyday driving, but not for drag racing.
considering a bone stock 89 hatch with 200k+ miles on it ran the same et/mph, there is no ****in way my car should be that slow. a cam is not for torque, this cam makes power from 3000-5500 rpm. ported stock heads are worth 5-25 whp, the COBRA intake is another 10-15. it isnt just a cold air intake its an actual intake manifold. and the stock gears are 2.73, the rear end i put in has the stock 3.55 gears. I wasn't about to spend another $200+ for a gear install when these are just fine. better than stock but not enough to kill my gas mileage completely. this IS my daily driver and gas is at least $2.70 a gallon and rising
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Well have fun being slow, because at some point you have to give and take.
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Old August 12th, 2005, 10:53 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Well have fun being slow, because at some point you have to give and take.
slow and fast is only relative. I'm fast compared to ricers, and cars with >$2000 into them (including the car) (not including power adders)

and I know its about give and take. thats why i have 3.55s and not 2.73s or 4.10s
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mmm i have 4.10's in my jeep... the reason? my little 4 banger needs the 4.10's to push me up hills.... i get lotsa low end torque but nothing up high.. if i'm goin up a kinda steep hill and shift into 4th it bogs down....lol RawR for 4.10's... i couldnt imagine the time i'd get at the track.. hell it takes me 18 seconds to go 0-60... i really need a 4.0...
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considering a bone stock 89 hatch with 200k+ miles on it ran the same et/mph, there is no ****in way my car should be that slow. a cam is not for torque, this cam makes power from 3000-5500 rpm. ported stock heads are worth 5-25 whp, the COBRA intake is another 10-15. it isnt just a cold air intake its an actual intake manifold.
First, was the '89 auto too, what exactly was different from that car to yours? Anyway, the 10 to 50hp or so you added may have just been enough to bring the motor back up to stock level or slightly better then stock. Engines are interesting things, two could be built exactly the same and have outputs that are way off. You just may have one of the lower output motors and that guy had a higher one so they balanced out. Maybe the guy was just a much better driver, maybe you are putting too much air into the engine and it can't get rid of it fast enough, maybe you got a bad tank of gas, or maybe you just really need new tires. Who knows.

All in all, i'm saying don't feel bad with what you ran. Get good at driving the car first, then make adjustments as you see fit or modify as you get more money to make it as fast and powerfull as you want. Most people don't go from 250hp to 500hp or 15.0 sec to 10.0 sec all at once (unless they have a ton of money). Keep working on it.



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Old August 13th, 2005, 02:55 AM   #21 (permalink)
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First, was the '89 auto too, what exactly was different from that car to yours? Anyway, the 10 to 50hp or so you added may have just been enough to bring the motor back up to stock level or slightly better then stock. Engines are interesting things, two could be built exactly the same and have outputs that are way off. You just may have one of the lower output motors and that guy had a higher one so they balanced out. Maybe the guy was just a much better driver, maybe you are putting too much air into the engine and it can't get rid of it fast enough, maybe you got a bad tank of gas, or maybe you just really need new tires. Who knows.

All in all, i'm saying don't feel bad with what you ran. Get good at driving the car first, then make adjustments as you see fit or modify as you get more money to make it as fast and powerfull as you want. Most people don't go from 250hp to 500hp or 15.0 sec to 10.0 sec all at once (unless they have a ton of money). Keep working on it.
dont know what the other one had. but the mph is almost identical which means the cars themselves are almost the same. and i REALLY doubt a newly rebuilt engine would have less power than one that has 200k+ miles on it. you should know as well as anyone that things like rings and bearings wear down and reduce the power.

and I'm not expecting to run 10 seconds, but im sure as hell not expecting my car to be as slow as stock!! even if i just put a friggin CAI and underdrive pullies on it, it should show SOME improvement over stock. I'm very disappointed because it isnt me, its the car. you could have john force himself driving it and it would still be slow. when you work on an engine for months and months and months and it turns out to be a turd, wouldnt you be a little pissed?
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Uh...might wanna get that o2 sensor fixed. Thats part of the reason for that drag ass run...

Also, Fox body mustangs werent the greatest things evar....IMO they were the worst Mustangs, cuz the older Mustangs were freakin sweet, but then Fox bodys came along and they were a disappointment....what is it with them..there not airdynamically good or something? Not sure, but I heard Fox bodys are the worst when dragging or anything...thats just what I heard, just saying
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Uh...might wanna get that o2 sensor fixed. Thats part of the reason for that drag ass run...

Also, Fox body mustangs werent the greatest things evar....IMO they were the worst Mustangs, cuz the older Mustangs were freakin sweet, but then Fox bodys came along and they were a disappointment....what is it with them..there not airdynamically good or something? Not sure, but I heard Fox bodys are the worst when dragging or anything...thats just what I heard, just saying
from what I'm being told, the o2 sensors arent used during open loop aka full throttle

and you obviously don't know **** about mustangs


they aren't a "disappointment" at all. like I've said a bunch of times, it's supposed to run mid-low 13s, faster with better tires. that's pretty good for a car with a $100 cam, $200 intake, stock heads, stock tranny, $150 converter and $100 rear end (and the car itself was only a grand). you probably heard that foxes are "the worst when dragging" by a damned ricer (or camaro driver) my car just has some problems that I have to find and fix
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Foxes are pretty good drag cars as they are lighter than newer and older mustangs, so they don't need as much power.

BTW, what do you have for an exaust setup? Is that stock or changed?



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just came back from the dyno....177hp/216tq something is definitely wrong here i'm missing like 50hp
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