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Old August 12th, 2005, 05:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I posted this on another forum and felt i should post it here

Well if you havent heard about it im not surprised. the liberal media has done a good job making sure that this story be pushed to the back page because *gasp* the clinton administration is at fault here.

Heres an article explaining it
http://www.pardonmyenglish.com/archives/20...ble_danger.html

Basically a year before 9/11 a secret intelligence team called Able Danger investigated Mohammed Atta and i think 4 other men. AD knew they were from al qaeda (remember? that bad group of people that blew up our embassies and a ship) and that they were in the united states. however when they tried to pass this information to the FBI, it was blocked. Why? By who? It was by Jamie Gorelick who was appointed by the Clinton administration He put up the so called "wall" between intelligence organizations and the clinton administration. This prevented the information of Atta and his fellow al qaeda members from being arrested.

So why are we not hearing anything (or we are hearing very little) about this in the media. Well first of all Jamie Gorelick was a member of the 9/11 Comission!!! After all of this time that the democrats have been accusing the republicans of trying to cover up the facts of 9/11, a member of the commission itself felt no need to reveal that they had the power to permit the arrest Atta long before 9/11. why else are we not hearing about this? well the whole point of the 9/11 commission was to make bush look bad and now that the facts are out, it is Clinton who looks bad.
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Ouch for Clinton, never liked him anyway...
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Old August 12th, 2005, 05:29 PM   #3 (permalink)
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this isnt the first time he let al qaeda get away, infact this isnt the second or third
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"bush did this" "bush did that" blah blah blah. and now they try to hide THEIR mistakes?
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My how the mighty have fallen. Tisk tisk Clinton administration. Tisk tisk
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Old August 12th, 2005, 05:50 PM   #6 (permalink)
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It was common knowledge that the Clinton administration were investigating Osama and even knew where he was, but it was "polliticaly infeasible" (aka would look bad) if we went in and took him out. It might have made the "peace loving president" look to warlike...

God how I hate the media -- fair and balanced my ass!



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Old August 12th, 2005, 05:52 PM   #7 (permalink)
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it really pisses me off because not only did the clinton admin. have the power to stop 9/11, but they have the audacity to blame bush for their **** ups
so many people suffered and yet they keep hiding the facts from us
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Old August 12th, 2005, 05:57 PM   #8 (permalink)
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but how can she live with herself? first she prevents the arrest of people who we had every right to arrest, then 9/11 happens and 3000 people die, then she gets appointed to the 9/11 commission and covers it up

i think i'd have killed myself if i were her
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Old August 12th, 2005, 06:34 PM   #10 (permalink)
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but how can she live with herself? first she prevents the arrest of people who we had every right to arrest, then 9/11 happens and 3000 people die, then she gets appointed to the 9/11 commission and covers it up

i think i'd have killed myself if i were her
wait. she as in clinton? lol
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wait. she as in clinton? lol
GOD, LEARN TO READ THE FREAKING POST.
Jamie Gorelick is the one who covered it up and was a part of the 9/11 Commission.

I'm seriously sick of people asking stupid questions when they're clearly answered in the post. It's not just you, but it's just getting on my nerves.
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No she as in Jamie Gorelick, the person who NYY's original post is about.

Personally I think that the people who run your country deserve alot of credit. They have your very livelyhood in their hands. And although I am not surprised (it is Clinton administration after all) I can still be dissapointed. People are supposed to have a basic sense of honesty and right and wrong. Unfortunately, politics makes you shed that in order to survive. This is why the more down to earth and honest common man politicians either don't make it very far, or are not very influencial in DC.
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Old August 12th, 2005, 08:20 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I agree with you completely, the Clinton administration did have a chance to nab all four of these guys but didn't. Some blame def goes on them.

However, the reason they weren't arrested or questioned is because the anti-terror laws (at the time) didn't allow detaining of people on circumstantial or flimsy evidence. All four of the men, as well as Mohammed Atta, were suspected of being members of an al-Qaeda cell in the US.

But they all had valid visas.


That's the real reason. But valid or not, terrorist attacks here and overseas prove that just because they're citizens of a given country that doesn't mean that they won't attempt to attack it.



I heard about this story two days ago, and it was pretty surprising. Of all places, I heard it from CNN, probably one of the more liberal news sources out there. But it was a tiny note to mention, so you can tell they weren't going out of their way to report it.
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Old August 12th, 2005, 08:52 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Want to hear what I've been thinking lately?

Basicly the reason these terrorists thought they could get away with the 9/11 terror attacks and thier fighting in Afganistan and Iraq because Clinton pulled our troops out of Somalia when the going got tough. It made everyone turn thier heads and think "hey, all I have to do is kill a few Americans and theystop fighting and return home with thier tails between thier legs".

Now I know thats a long shot, but then we can just blame most of the deaths in Somolia on clinton because he personally forbade the use of heavy armor by our troops over there. i.e tanks and armored personel carries. How hard do you think it would have been to recover the first downed black hawk if there was an M1 Abrams that could just roll over any road block the sololians put in its way.

**** Clinton, those brave Rangers,SOAR, SEALs and DELTA men that never made it home died because Clinton didnt want to look bad by having tanks rolling down the streets of some 3rd world country. Those deaths are on his hands.

Want more? Before the sept 11 attacks there were CIA paramilitary snipers in afganistan observing Osama bin laden and requested to take him out but orders from the Clinton administration pretty much said no. Now the plans for sept 11 were probably well under way and killing osama then probably wouldnt have made a difference, but his terrorist cells wouldnt be as oragized today is he still wasnt alive.
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Old August 12th, 2005, 08:57 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Even so, the incident with the downed black hawks did not have severe casualties on our side. About 20 deaths, as apposed to the over 1000 Somali militia that were killed (Go air support!)

By dodging the PR problem of tanks running down the streets of a 3rd world country, Clinton ran into the even larger one of seeing American soldiers having their body's dragged through the streets of Somalia. THAT is why Clinton pulled out, because the public demanded we did (after seeing that, the majority of us on thsi forum would have.)
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who likes clinton anyway
Lewinsky apparently.

And alot of leftists like Clinton. I don't know why, but they do.
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Old August 12th, 2005, 09:06 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Good points, all of them. The Somalia issue never crossed my mind, but seeing the legacy of Mogadishu '93 it does make sense. And that wasn't even al-Qaeda...those were just random people pissed at American presence in their city. Even though we were there to make sure they didn't starve to death.

I was thinking about it today and I'm wondering what the terrorist's real goal is. Sure, I know they are asking that "infidel" troops leave the Holy land (both Israel and in Saudi Arabia, where Mecca and Medina are), but other than that. Trying to intimidate our armed forces abroad and attack the American public here at home isn't going to get that done. Israel won't leave, and they hate terrorists even more than we do. And pissing off the American public gets troops sent to THEIR countries in the Middle East.


Nice job, al-Qaida!


Plus I don't know where their rhetoric about how the Crusades were "oh so horrible" for their religion and people...THEY WON THE CRUSADES! Christians claimed Jerusalem what, ONCE? And even then they were wiped out by Muslims after just a few short years. It's a moot point.

I think the real reason why they have to keep releasing statements, videos, and are so fanatical is because they know they can't win. So they think that by saying "Allahu Akbar!" and blowing up a bomb strapped to their chest they will get accepted into paradise and get their 70 virgins. It's a lost cause, but they comfort themselves by thinking they're martyrs.

IMO anyone who takes the lives of so many innocent people and justifies it using RELIGION or DEITY proves to me that that one person's beliefs were completely wrong...religion is about explaining your past, present and future existence- not ending it for others.

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GOD, LEARN TO READ THE FREAKING POST.
Jamie Gorelick is the one who covered it up and was a part of the 9/11 Commission.

I'm seriously sick of people asking stupid questions when they're clearly answered in the post. It's not just you, but it's just getting on my nerves.
Why are people so stupid?!?

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wow man it was a joke. i knew what he meant. i just thought it was funny to say that at the time.
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Well when you look at Islam and Moslem principles in general, "If you kill an innocent, you are killing the whole human race." "If you harm an innocent, you are harming the whole human race."

Terrorism has evolved. Before it was "I need to get to a certain country so I'll Hijack a plane. "Mr. Pilot I have a gun but I need you alive so I can get to where I am going."

Now it is Moslem Fundamentalism. THAT is a problem. By seeing anyone that is not a believer in their twisted version of Islam as not an innocent, they create a loophole for themselves. This is where their sense of extreme martyrdom comes in.

They are a disgrace to their own faith.
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Good call.

I read an 100-page book on Islam, and it was really enlightening. I have a lot of respect for that faith, and now I've got even more reason to make fun of Jihadists.

They have a rich history and culture as a people, and it's awesome.
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Unfortunately there are more theocracies that twist and blow out of proportion religious dogmas, that are in the Moslem world.

The core religion, as most religions, is fairly respectable. But most of it's theocracies and louder and more voistrous symbols, are that of fundamentalists and extremists. This simply drags the entire Moslem world down. And that is very unfortunate.
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Good call.

I read an 100-page book on Islam, and it was really enlightening. I have a lot of respect for that faith, and now I've got even more reason to make fun of Jihadists.

They have a rich history and culture as a people, and it's awesome.
islam is a great religion that i think anybody could learn to love. unfortunately many thing in the koran are vague and that leaves a lot of room for radical interpretation such as the jihad issue. many (probably most) muslims believe that killing is wrong no matter what. yet there are still those who continue to kill innocent people claiming it is their holy mission. these muslim extremists are even looked down upon by many muslims.
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who likes clinton anyway
me ....i thought he was a good president...sure he made a few bad decisions but a lot were positive...plus im a minority of course i liked clinton

bush isnt the best president either...like his decision to send soldiers in w/o proper protection...ppl did die becuz of that


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yet there are still those who continue to kill innocent people claiming it is their holy mission. these muslim extremists are even looked down upon by many muslims.
the thing is that every religion has members who have performed terroristic attacks....including buddhists
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these Muslim extremists are even looked down upon by many Muslims.

See, I know that, but many people don't and that is a sad thing indeed. The people of Islamic faith have to come out and renounce what these terrorists are doing. They have to take any means necessary to distance themselves from these extremist terrorists.

The problem is that they wont, so many people see that as a sign of supporting this terrorism. There were polls taken at mosks (sp) all over the world and I forget the numbers exactly, but while nearly everyone disagreed with and wanted nothing to do with these extremists, only about 1/4 would report a fellow Muslim is they suspected him/her of terrorist activities. That has to be stopped. They need to speak out and let the world, and the terrorist know that the Muslim church does not and will not condone such actions.
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