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Old January 5th, 2006, 01:52 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Animal Abuse Video

Explicit Meterial, you've been warned

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Edit: This doesn't directly relate to the vid above, but it talks about PETA, very great point.

Bull**** With Pen & Teller: PETA
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Old January 5th, 2006, 02:37 AM   #2 (permalink)
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The Pen and Teller BS is the best refutation of the PETA crap that I have seen.

Crazies are crazies despite thier causes....

Ok... allow me to go on a rant here. 1) Farming animals for food is an ugly, dirty, and seemingly cruel enterprise. Face it, you are killing animals for food. Modern man has devised machines and processes for the mechinization of this slaughter of animals... but is it any different then butchering a hog or a deer on the farm to feed your family? Certainly it is a question of scale, but c'mon.. where do you think those chicken tenders you gobble up came from in the first place? Sure its not pretty, but what do you expext?

2) PETA is evil! I am convinced of that. They support terror tactics, fire bombings, propaganda campains, and harassment that makes the mob look like girlscouts. When I worked in a professional kitchen, we would get PETA hate mail all the time. Why? because we served steaks. For some reason we would also get angry letters from PETA denouncing our use of Goose Liver Pate and Foi Gras.. Well, we never used those products, but yet our restaurant was bombarded by thier ignorance.

As a medical professional I also take great umbrage to the PETA line that animal testing of medical research is evil. Frankly, there are millions of people that would not be alive today if it weren't for the benefit of medical research on animals.

To sum up my rant -- PETA makes my feet itch.. they really do. As a K9 trainer, I was "abusing" my dog and making it my slave. Since I fish and hunt, I am an evil insensitive brute. And because I worked at a restaurant that served steak, I am going to hell..

Well PETA... **** YOU!!!!

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Old January 5th, 2006, 02:56 AM   #3 (permalink)
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It kinda pisses me off, the pig killing, those have to be some heartless basterds. That have to have some really deep feelings to be able to do it some easily. I don't know if I would be able to do it, even if I was getting paid well.
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Old January 5th, 2006, 03:05 AM   #4 (permalink)
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i'v put the Penn & Teller thing on here a while back, i love that vid.

i showed to a class in JR year... stupid PETA member teacher.
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Old January 5th, 2006, 04:23 PM   #5 (permalink)
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peta has a far worse animal shelter survival record than humane societies despite better funding, and they have been caught throwing dead animals away in dumpsters. theyre a joke..
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I like that Pen and Teller vid more and more evey time I see it.
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oh. my. effing. god. those poor animals! they need to get a better way of doing things. how about letting them have good lives? how about finding a less bloody way of killing them?!

i will be honest, i had to puke after seeing that. i am in no way a vegetarian, but that's being way too brutal.
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i think there should be more humane ways to sluaghter animals, sure they are born to die, but why do they have to go the that much pain to do it.
but i am also not against the meat industry, they can do it how they want, i cant stop them. all i can do is eat their products so at least the animals didint die so they could sit in a freezer in hundreds of peices.
PETA is a load of morons. half of the PETA members are kids that are jumping the bandwagon and trying to look like they give a crap. the ones who are in PETA or ALF and other such organizations ar deluded crazies who need to be hit over the head with blunt objects.

when is penn and teller BS on. i really wanna see more of that show now.
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Old January 5th, 2006, 07:50 PM   #9 (permalink)
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how about finding a less bloody way of killing them?!
Um...Killing things generally produces blood. So yeah...Not sure how you want to solve that problem, but be my guest.

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Old January 5th, 2006, 08:00 PM   #10 (permalink)
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What the hell why does it matter how they die. PETA is retarded. I could go on for hours but this keyboard sucks.
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Old January 5th, 2006, 09:05 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Um...Killing things generally produces blood. So yeah...Not sure how you want to solve that problem, but be my guest.

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the pig thing were they swing them around and slam them on the floor made me gag.....i was actually pissed....then i ate bacon mmm all better now
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Old January 5th, 2006, 09:15 PM   #12 (permalink)
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People are stupid. One "slaughterhouse" and a few "pigs". I didnt watch the video. Where did you see proof that this is an actual slaughterhouse and not a set created by activists to fool you? Are you sure its a real pig and not something faked.

Show me where they swing pigs around and slam them on the ground everywhere. That would damage the meat.
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little over 3/4 of the way threw....some were aroung the pig castration and ear mutaltion
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i agree...and teller always asks him questions.....and he just shakes his damn head. whats the world comming to!
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Any of you guys been to a real farm? Im from Iowa. I know what a cattle lot is like. Truth when they are in the barns ect they are cramped up. But thats to get them out of the elements. Most cattle lots from where I am from have giant spaces of land dedicated to grazing for these animals. Good marble steaks aren't found in sheds that force feed the animals. They are out grazing. Same with a dairy lot. Yes they have to be in small areas for the machines to work. you can have them wandering around if you want to produce the milk. Do you know how much it costs to slaughter animals? they showed some really bad facilities. They also showed some really corporate farming operations. But the thing with smashing in pigs heads? Most of the hog lots I have seen have much more space in them with out door pens that lead into the indoor areas why go indoors? because in most areas its freezing cold outside. The animals are given a large area indoors that are heated and ventalated so they can escape the elements.

They showed the worst of the worst areas. With some asshole who would more than likely be fired from any operation I have seen. They show chickens still kicking fluttering there wings. Have you ever heard the saying like a chicken with its head cut off? they animal it dead normally it doesn't feel anything. its nerve endings are still shooting random energy that makes them kick or spasm...same with the cattel and pigs. The equipment used to cut there necks is razer sharp and they shouldn't feel a thing. In the cases where the something goes wrong one isn't killed correctly the first time they are then put down right away. The scenes that show animals hung up and being cut by the throat? thats called bleeding the animal. It needs to be done after the animal is dead. They are hung up and bled out because it is part of the cleaning process. the scenes showing them alive are being done wrong.

All of that video shows errors in the processing ways. Things that are being done wrong. Just like they can show you a dozen survalence cameras from a food place that shows workers not washing hands or doing something wrong. they are at fault not the restruant industry in whole. Same with a mental ward. You can watch a video of a bad attendent man handling a patron of the hospital but that isn't the system in whole it is a bad apple. Does that mean we should close down all hospitals and restraunts too?

Food is food you don't stop growing corn because it is genetically enhanced to raise yeilds and is cut down in its prime. It is something you eat. Same with animals. They aren't your pet. It is meat being grown.

There was a minx farm or some type of luxury fur farm that raised the animals with the mindset that they were to be butchered later for the fur. It had some of the nicest facilities money could buy for the animals. They were raised like pedegree horses. But really a mink is just a rodent. just like a rat you know the things you kill with poison when they get in your house. this was back in like 97 or 98. These glorified rats were in several large complexes and held a huge number of the world wide mink trade. The idiots involved with the ALF broke into several of the farms in iowa wisconsin and south dakota to liberate these animals. They broke down fences killed a farmers pet dog that came to investigate then broke into the buildings vanalized them then opened all the pens releasin 7000 or so animals into the wild. Leberated my ass. A huge number of them were dead on the side of the road after there release. The rest died of the elements. So lets see. You are allowed to live as a glorified rat in a beatiful area growing old then being killed quickly and cleanly as to not hurt the fur. Instead they were liberated and died terrible harsh deaths.

hes in jail in wisconsin now for breaking and entering vanalism of private property and destruction of business. Card holding member of the ALF.

/rant peta is rediculous. Many of them go to extremes to end up killing the same animals they are liberating.
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People are stupid. One "slaughterhouse" and a few "pigs". I didnt watch the video. Where did you see proof that this is an actual slaughterhouse and not a set created by activists to fool you? Are you sure its a real pig and not something faked.

Show me where they swing pigs around and slam them on the ground everywhere. That would damage the meat.
thank you. ive seen pigs slaughtered and those clips are a load of crap. nothing like the real thing
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Old January 5th, 2006, 10:26 PM   #19 (permalink)
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People, havent you noticed my skepticism at almost everything anybody posts? Dont believe something becuase you saw it on TV. God forbid dont believe something you see on the internet, a place where just about ANYBODY can make ANYTHING look like WHATEVER they want it to look like.

I think thats why I confuse myself with overanalyzing things all the time. It could be the pot, but I think its because I actually like to hear things from credible sources before I start spreading things around myself.

Now if only people could stop being LEMMINGS and think on their own. Criticize every ****ing thing you see. Thats the only way to get the truth out of as much as possible.
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People, havent you noticed my skepticism at almost everything anybody posts? Dont believe something becuase you saw it on TV. God forbid dont believe something you see on the internet, a place where just about ANYBODY can make ANYTHING look like WHATEVER they want it to look like.

I think thats why I confuse myself with overanalyzing things all the time. It could be the pot, but I think its because I actually like to hear things from credible sources before I start spreading things around myself.

Now if only people could stop being LEMMINGS and think on their own. Criticize every ****ing thing you see. Thats the only way to get the truth out of as much as possible.
it could be the pot, or the pot, possibly the pot, maybe..just maybe even the pot.....i know its done miracles for me
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Even with my mainly leftist views, I personally still find PETA to be a group of rather ignorant hypocrites.
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Old January 5th, 2006, 11:03 PM   #22 (permalink)
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People, havent you noticed my skepticism at almost everything anybody posts? Dont believe something becuase you saw it on TV. God forbid dont believe something you see on the internet, a place where just about ANYBODY can make ANYTHING look like WHATEVER they want it to look like.

I think thats why I confuse myself with overanalyzing things all the time. It could be the pot, but I think its because I actually like to hear things from credible sources before I start spreading things around myself.

Now if only people could stop being LEMMINGS and think on their own. Criticize every ****ing thing you see. Thats the only way to get the truth out of as much as possible.
You can use that with any argument, saying its staged is about as ****ed up as the JFK magic bullet theory or the falsified moon landings. Its retarded.

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What the hell why does it matter how they die. PETA is retarded. I could go on for hours but this keyboard sucks.
I'm betting you'd rather die in bed with your beautiful wife, of old age, than having a hot iron rod inserted into your anus, and slowly dying from peritonitis if not from repeated stabs from a hot iron into your organs.

I definitely don't approve of PETA, but I don't approve of animal cruelty either.

And bubba, the kinds of farms you have been talking about are significantly decreasing, and giving way to bigger corporate farms. Fast food nation covers a lot of this. Smaller family farms can't keep up without expensive machines, which just put them further in debt. The slaughterhouse workers are mainly Mexican immigrants, they're worked for hours at a time without a break. If they get injured the company will do anything they can to stop them from filing a complaint or receiving legal help. Many of the women are sexually harassed during work.

This isn't just animal cruelty in the meat business, its illegal immigrants, sexual harassment, bankrupt farmers, and illegal and immoral business practices.
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for being someone from california far far away from anything that resembles midwest farming culture you talk alot about it like you know. yes there is a decline in the family farm. But that is mainly based off of farming not cattle or hog operations. There are a few large operations in my area that are corporate style. The biggest worry on them is not the mistreatment on the animals but the fact that in there feces removal process they sometimes contamiate the water. You can take all you want from reading stuff but untill you have been there you don't know. There is a chicken plant just north of me and a hog plant to the south. Yes there are alot illegals that slip in but there are green card raids on the hog plant in storm lake almost weekly. Many people are sent home. I don't know where you got the sexual harrasment info from but I haven't seen much on that. they deal with that alot more in the mining industry not as much in the food services.
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This isn't just animal cruelty in the meat business, its illegal immigrants, sexual harassment, bankrupt farmers, and illegal and immoral business practices.
Wow... I actually find myself agreeing with you...somewhat. I do believe that there are endemic abuses as a system specifically because the labor pool is made up of mostly exploited minorities. There is big money to be made, and it is on the backs of the workers in most cases. The wage is poor and the working conditions suck.

But does that lead to animal cruelty? One argument could be made to say that a disenfranchised workforce will take it out on the animals. Well, its reaching, but arguable.

I think more that it is an environment of getting the most done at the least cost. Could there be more humane ways of killing the animals? Sure, but at what cost does this come and who absorbs that cost? Are you willing to pay $7.00/# for bacon? Market analysts would say look at the whole "dolphin free tuna" thing of the 1980's as a model. I don't know that I would pay more for "humanely killed beef" as opposed to regular beef, but people pay obscene amounts for meats and vegitables that are "organic".

As an aside... I used to work security at the Jenni-O turkey plant in Wilmar Minnesota and our #1 security concern was that the hmong workers on the processing line were taking entrails and cut scraps home for stews. What is up with that?



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