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Old April 12th, 2006, 05:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Attention Free-Thinkers, your mind is at risk!

The video Loose Change (look for it on google video) has become a hit at my school. Everyone's been talking about it. Basicly, everyone here believes it.

I watched most of it, and thought it was the biggest crock of BS I've seen since Farenheit 9/11 and Bowling for Columbine.

I dont know how to really start teaching you this, but I want you to realise that not everything you see or read is true. A lot of propagandists use blatent quote snippings to get their message across.

For example, If someone says "The plane came so low to the ground, and was so loud that it sounded like a missile", a propagandist may alter the text to read:

"It sounded like a missile..."

Thats the kind of obvious thing that I think at least everyone should be able to pick up on.

Second, is the use of citing journalists. Journalists are scum. Well, I guess they're just trying to make a living like you and I, but they write to get your attention.

I've been with people who get interviewed, then see the newscast later on. The way they scramble things up is really amazing. Journalists need to spice up the story, and often times they just make themselves look plain dumb.

You've seen it with the paintball shootings and stuff. They show clips of BB guns that look like real weapons, then start syaing stuff like "400fps feet per second at 4500psi pounds of pressure" (this was done in a video I saw).

They basicly rewrite what happened by giving you the interesting parts, shaving off what can be important details and giving you their biased representation of what they think happened.

Then you've got the video evidence. This stuff is great becuase we're actually watching what happened.

Simply going into your editing program and highlighting parts of teh video where we are supposed to see a missile hit the pentagon is not proof. First of all the camera was about 500 feet away. Secondly, the "missile" is just a large blob blending in with the pixelation due to crappy compression. You really cant pull any sort of evidence from this kind of low quality evidence. I could argue that its actually Wil E. Coyote riding an acme rocket, and with the "video evidence", it would seem probably.

The one thing that really shows me this is a crocfk of propaganda is the "abundance" of shady evidence. To make up for those crappy video clips, and poor photographs, we need to shower the entire film in evidence. From beginning to end. Do you really think if the evidence was so abundant, and so conclusive that any of the other MILLIONS of politically charged college AV nerds wouldnt have figured this out? Please.

Don't believe what you see. Things can and ARE worded in ways that elude us, the innocent populace from the truth. It seems like the government is being portrayed as the evil big brother, who wants nothing more then our own demise. In reality its society written down on paper. Its not out to get us. There way be some people in there for their own benefit, but honestly, do you think everyone's like that?

Have some faith in your fellow man, and try not to be a lemming. Poke your head up from teh crowd every once in a while and take a good hard look at whats going on around you.

And by the way, just becuase someone knows how to use macromedia flash well and can put contrasting images to some upbeat music does NOT make it true.
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Old April 12th, 2006, 05:59 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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qft a while back i saw a vid on 9/11 they got it all messed up

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Old April 12th, 2006, 06:04 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I watched most of it, and thought it was the biggest crock of BS I've seen since Farenheit 9/11 and Bowling for Columbine.
you're the best. that guy is an idiot, the producer or director or what ever he was of those films.

EDIT: yea, im starting watching it now. i remember a while back watching a movie on 9.11 ill try and find the link, in 1 hour and 21 minutes and 50 seconds.
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That video is a load of ****.
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Old April 12th, 2006, 06:21 PM   #5 (permalink)
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thank you alpha for being the first free thinker...we need more people like you
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Old April 12th, 2006, 06:31 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I hate people that are all "grr propanganda.. **** the 9/11 conspirators.. now, lets see how our justified war in iraq is going.."

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I hate people that are all "grr propanganda.. **** the 9/11 conspirators.. now, lets see how our justified war in iraq is going.."

it goes both ways.
so true.

Honestly, I thought like you did alpha, when I first saw this Vid. I was like WOW, that's terrible image quality, and does not prove anything. Also how they said there was no airplane debris left, SO WHAT?? maybe it was a small airplane with explosives in it, who knows?

I honestly don't know what to think about the accident, except that the people who died in any of these crashes will be remembered, even though not individually; as a whole, they will.
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Old April 12th, 2006, 06:52 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I can't believe that people can actually find that video believable. As for Michael Moore, he's pretty much just an egotistical self promoting ass, who tries to pass of entertainment as documentary. "Bowling for Columbine" and "Farenheit 9/11" both had a few (very few) good points, but they were completely burried in half truths, and bold faced lies. People too often forget that the media, for the most part, shows what gets attention. It isn't their job to get you the truth, its their job to get you to watch. Thats why every other story shows you another hidden danger lurking in your house......"tonight at ten, could your laundry detergent be causing brain cancer in your children...............RAPIST" yeah.
As for the war, its a war, its messy, and lots of mistakes have been made. Wait 10 years though, and see how much better off Iraq is. Its hard to be objective about something like this while its still happening, and the media's slant isn't helping any.
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Old April 12th, 2006, 08:00 PM   #10 (permalink)
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You guys should give journalists a little more faith. If I remember correctly, 'What Liberal Media' had some good interviews with some genuine journalists.
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Old April 12th, 2006, 08:47 PM   #11 (permalink)
 
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Thats the sad part man, many journalists are great people, who genuinely want to seek out the truth, but its extremely difficult to sort out the honest facts from the spin and straight up bs.
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Old April 12th, 2006, 08:53 PM   #12 (permalink)
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i know what you mean.. everyone thinks 'oh its a conspiracy' its automatically true..

i said to some kid 'its just bull****'
and he responds with 'well how do you know the media isnt giving you bull****'

so i just said 'well i dont, but thats what i choose to believe anyway.. that video has no more truth than anything the media says..'
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Old April 12th, 2006, 09:05 PM   #13 (permalink)
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They had me going on the Pentagon part... Makes sense. (What they said about the pentagon and how it couldn't be a 757/747 or whatever)
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Old April 12th, 2006, 09:09 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Just young, unguided liberals looking for someone to blame. George W. Bush usually serves as a general scapegoat for most things.
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Old April 12th, 2006, 09:10 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Except is was a plane, there is plenty of pictures of the wreckage that could Only be that of a commercial airline jet.

Conspiracy theorists choose to ignore them though.
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Old April 12th, 2006, 09:15 PM   #16 (permalink)
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It was a plane... But they said there was no way that it could have been a big ass 747 like Flight 77 or whatever it was.
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Old April 12th, 2006, 09:27 PM   #17 (permalink)
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It's so stupid that people believe that. One of my friends at school sent me the vid a few weeks ago (though I did watch the whole thing a few months ago) and hes telling me how true it was and stuff. I didn't argue or anything I just said it was bull**** and I got the response "how do you know then? prove it"

Prove what? We all saw what happend on tv on that day. How the **** is it conspiracy?
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yea mickal(SP) moore is a dumbass, and a lot of crap said in that is unbelievable
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Old April 12th, 2006, 10:30 PM   #19 (permalink)
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the whole scapegoat thing is true as well. my theory is that people want to believe conspiracies, missile attacks, that kinda stuff so it insinuates itself, and people take it too seriously.
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Old April 12th, 2006, 10:41 PM   #20 (permalink)
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anyboyd got a link to this vid
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Just young, unguided liberals looking for someone to blame. George W. Bush usually serves as a general scapegoat for most things.
Don't you use young "unguided" liberals as your scapegoat? =D
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Tainted by the dark side this video is.
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Tainted by the dark side this video is.
Now is not the time for your star wars jokes... nor will there ever be a time.

Most conspiracy theories do have some sort of grain of truth behind them... just like I'm sure this one may be kind of sort of partially right about maybe one of the things he stated (my vote goes to some gov. officials having some tiny form of knowledge about something to do with the attack beforehand).

But overall, it's very laughable... just like most conspiracy theories.
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