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Old November 2nd, 2006, 11:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Figured I'd start one for the hell of it. Right now my goal is 8psi on stock internals and to be finished by Christmas time.

Today we ripped the bumper off to install my front mount. It's not going to work, the front mount is the weirdest one I've seen in my life.



So I decided I would sell it and pick one up on ebay that has the inlet and outlet on the side of the intercooler. That way I can route all my piping conviently. I'd like to keep my A/C but who knows if that will happen. Luckily I can keep my Power Steering and Cruise Control.

Picked up a 1g DSM BOV and I'll probably crush it.

Oh and I finally identified my turbo.. the person who sold it to me said it was a DSM flange, when it's really a T3 flange..

I've also got to sell my Manifold because it's for an F22B and the exhuast ports are different.

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TD04HL 13g
Spools up at 2k rpms





Manifold that won't work.



Serial on the intercooler? My guess was a stock SRT-4 Intercooler but I don't think they came stock with front mounts.

Boost checklist:
Turbo
Wastegate
Blow Off Valve
Exhuast flange
Turbo gasket
Oil return? feed? thingy
Boost gauge
Intercooler *selling*
Manifold *selling*

I wish I could use the manifold.. Cast-Iron and a topmount.. oh well.
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 05:18 AM   #2 (permalink)
 
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awesome dude, nice to see ur finally getting down to it.

hey idk if this is a myth, but ive heard computer controlled cars cant have an open BOV, and need to have one the re-circulates the air back into the intercooler.
Because that air has already gone by the mass air flow sensor, and therefore the engine is gonna dump enough fuel for that air, but u just blew that fuels air out the BOV,

is that true?

ps i'll do my best to not be the stereotypically import basher and just support your opinion

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I think it is a SRT-4 intercooler. You can see it in these pics, I didnt know it was front either.

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2282707
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 10:36 AM   #4 (permalink)
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awesome dude, nice to see ur finally getting down to it.

hey idk if this is a myth, but ive heard computer controlled cars cant have an open BOV, and need to have one the re-circulates the air back into the intercooler.
Because that air has already gone by the mass air flow sensor, and therefore the engine is gonna dump enough fuel for that air, but u just blew that fuels air out the BOV,

is that true?

ps i'll do my best to not be the stereotypically import basher and just support your opinion
I'm not real sure on that. My car dosen't even have a mas airflow meter so I don't even know if theres a sensor for it.. there ware way to bypass it I'm sure, just like you can bypass the knock sensor, o2 sensor, etc. with a new tuneable ECU on chrome.

Basically the BOV is welded onto a flange on the piping and a vacuum line comes from the intake manifold. The part where it blows out usually re-routes to the charge piping or intake or whatever. I'm no turbo expert so I'm not 100% sure. I believe on Hondas that you can just let it blow out without re-circulating anything.

Thanks for the support though!
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if theres a sensor in between the air filter and throttle body, its a mass air flow sensor, every FI car should have one. It tells the computer how much fuel the injectors need to pour out, your ride should have one.

i know on an evo its an issue, and the BOV is suppost to route the released air back into the intercooler instead of the atmosphere. If you here an evo with a loud BOV that releases air into the atmosphere, hes losing about 10-15hp and 5mpg because his air/fuel mixture is rich
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What about ECU updating?

Lookin good, and I do believe that is an srt4 i/c
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 11:45 AM   #7 (permalink)
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did you find another intercooler?


i have one laying around you might be able to use


but you would have to use a racing radiator because this one mounts vertical next to it
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 03:26 PM   #8 (permalink)
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What about ECU updating?

Lookin good, and I do believe that is an srt4 i/c
Debating still. Might grab a P28 and have someone tune it on chrome with eliminated EGR and knock sensor.

As far as intercooler goes.. I'm just going to sell this one and buy a cheapie ebay one.
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 04:24 PM   #9 (permalink)
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My buddy had a civic... He had hopes and dreams of boosting it but it never came around because he finally decided it was slow and staying that way. (He started doing susp but didn't get too far I don't think). His dad recently ****ed it up because he's a dumbass and can't drive stick. So now he's getting a stock civic back with unmatching headlights. He's kinda pissed but I don't think he cares too much because he just picked up a 240 shell and bought this:

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"ball bearing T28 fully manufacturer rebuilt. the cold side was media blasted and the hot side was finished with a 2000 degree coating so it will not rust."

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Engine/Transmission:
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some kind of axleback(came on the car i have no idea what it is but the muffler has a 6" outlet)
ngk racing plugs
B&M short shifter
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Exterior:
Type R "style" grill
removed pinstripe
removed: EX badge, jesus fish, and CIVIC badge
a sweet WAKABA badge
EK sidemarkers (w00t for jdm y0)
Mugen "style" Lip
oem antenna block off plate
DIY gunmetal headlights
oem style yellow fogs (not painted)


Interior:
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Rick's S2K team Voodoo countersunk shift knob (spun aluminum finish)
GSR black shift knob
99-00 Si cluster
CX center console (to remove armrest)
HOP oem dual din block off plate
head unit relocated to the cupholder with a 96-98 cupholder

Sound!!!:
Alpine CDA-9847 head unit
Infinity Reference series 6.5"s up front
Infinity Kappa Perfect 5x7's in back

Suspension/Wheels/Brakes
Stock suspension
some 14" 5 spoke AR wheels with potenza's
HX wheels, waiting for them to get sandblasted so i can paint them up bronze!!!
DIY gloss black calipers
AEM/Nissin brake pads
Brembo Rotors
ITR upper strut tower bar
ITR rear mid tie bar

And here it is with queer ass rims.

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And if anybody has a 6g civ and want subs, he's selling blueprints for this box:

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Old November 4th, 2006, 12:00 PM   #12 (permalink)
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awesome dude, nice to see ur finally getting down to it.

hey idk if this is a myth, but ive heard computer controlled cars cant have an open BOV, and need to have one the re-circulates the air back into the intercooler.
Because that air has already gone by the mass air flow sensor, and therefore the engine is gonna dump enough fuel for that air, but u just blew that fuels air out the BOV,

is that true?

ps i'll do my best to not be the stereotypically import basher and just support your opinion
You gots it . Let's use a DSM for example. The MAF is before the BOV, so it is helping to determine the air comming in. Now when the bov vents if its after the MAF, then you'll lose that air you need, causing the car to run a little on the rich side. But, if do the LS1 MAF setup and have the MAF after the BOV, then you won't have any problems. After the BOV, the computer can determine the right amout of air and fuel to mix. I thought about this on my dsm, but I really didn't need a louder BOV the way it was. My TurboXS H34 BOV was loud enough the way it was.
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Old November 5th, 2006, 12:40 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Picked up an Oil Pressure gauge and might get a Water Temperature gauge. Most likely installing them today, will get pictures.
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Old November 5th, 2006, 01:22 PM   #14 (permalink)
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i thought you quit paintball? why do i see a tank laying next to everything?
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i thought you quit paintball? why do i see a tank laying next to everything?
That's my friend's tank that I'm going to buy from him eventually.. I also used it at a tournament I played 3 weeks ago.

I'm trying to get back in but I probably won't until next season. I really want to get all this done.
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1337 I realize you're just starting your build but I thought I'd throw a couple things in here.

The TD04H is a tiny turbo. You're right about it being a T3 flange, they came stock on almost every Chrysler turbo vehicle. There's no need to crush a stock DSM BOV to run 8 psi. Also, you might want to add a few things to your list.

Boost controller (you can make a manual one for cheap)
Cold side piping (turbo to IC, IC to TB)
AN fittings for fuel
Gauges (fuel pressure, oil pressure)

That would get you started. I'm not trying to be a dick, it's just that you sound like you are where I was a few years ago. Also I'm not sure about Hondas, but you'll need some kind of device to fool the ECU into ignoring the boost pressure. Set aside a lot of time to do this installation, especially if this is your only car, because you'll run into a lot of unexpected hurdles along the way, everyone does.
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1337 I realize you're just starting your build but I thought I'd throw a couple things in here.

The TD04H is a tiny turbo. You're right about it being a T3 flange, they came stock on almost every Chrysler turbo vehicle. There's no need to crush a stock DSM BOV to run 8 psi. Also, you might want to add a few things to your list.

Boost controller (you can make a manual one for cheap)
Cold side piping (turbo to IC, IC to TB)
AN fittings for fuel
Gauges (fuel pressure, oil pressure)

That would get you started. I'm not trying to be a dick, it's just that you sound like you are where I was a few years ago. Also I'm not sure about Hondas, but you'll need some kind of device to fool the ECU into ignoring the boost pressure. Set aside a lot of time to do this installation, especially if this is your only car, because you'll run into a lot of unexpected hurdles along the way, everyone does.
I know all of that. I WANT a tiny turbo because I want it to spool up quick. This turbo spools up at 2000-2500rpm and I imagine stops around 6000-6400. I'll set my redline at 6600 probably and fuel cut off probably at 7000. My redline right now is 6200.

I probably won't get a boost controller right away because the internal wastegate is set at 8psi, which is what I was going to use int he first place. Maybe turn it up to 10 or 12 later..

Piping I'm still debating.

I have 3 guages just need a pillar...

I've got pretty much most the knowledge needed.. As far as a tune goes.. might just use a P28 ECU tuned on crome.
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Alright, sounds like you've got it all under control then, I'll keep my comments to myself.

Except I would really suggest making a MBC, they only cost like 12 dollars to make. Yes, the wastegate will control boost at 8psi, but you will bleed boost the whole time. Sure, your wastegate is set at 8psi, but will start to open at probably 4psi. This aren't my words, they're Corky Bell's.
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Yeah I'm just on a tight budget. I'm sure I'll get one when I'm all done with everything.

So it's for sure a T3 flange? Cause I've been told it's a T25/T28 flange by few people and it dosen't make sense because this wouldn't fit on my friends 2g eclipse.
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The TD04H has a Garrett flange, if I remember right. I started out with one but that was a couple years ago, I have a Super 60 now.
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The TD04H has a Garrett flange, if I remember right. I started out with one but that was a couple years ago, I have a Super 60 now.
Nice.

What's weird though, is the exhuast part is a t25 dsm flange because it's only a 4 bolt and t3 ones are 5 bolt. It's probably for the better though, be cheaper to get a downpipe made because the flange/dumpipe/o2housing are cheaper.
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Well I've been working on the car everyday since Thursday. Basically been doing TONS of work to it. Repainted most the interior so it actually matches. Fixed my shift boot and customized it a bit. Made a leather arm rest. Fixed my front "tweeter" speaker covers. Rewired my subs and mounted the amp. Made a bracket to hold my subs steady.

Then exterior I fixed all my bumper damage, all my rust spots and I also cleared my taillights which look amazing. No more amber just all clear.

I'm going to get my replacement fender fixed. Then I'm pretty much done with interior/exterior work for a while. Eventually I'd like to get some 4-point harnesses because my seatbelt unclicks occasionally and dosen't lock. Plus I've always liked 4-point harnesses. Oh and of course I'll get struts with lowering springs eventually.
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Eventually I'd like to get some 4-point harnesses because my seatbelt unclicks occasionally and dosen't lock. Plus I've always liked 4-point harnesses.
Congratulations, you've officially become a full-fledged ricer.

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Right.. I'm a ricer because I want a working seatbelt.

When I got rear-ended, my seatbelt did not lock so I hit the steering wheel and it came out of the latch it clicks in. A 4-point harness is cheaper than a new OEM seatbelt and I like them so why not?
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