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Old January 19th, 2007, 11:03 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Alleged Carjacker Gets Shot in Buttocks
By Associated Press
Wed Jan 17, 11:03 PM

COLUMBIA, S.C. - A man trying to steal a car at gunpoint from a couple ended up being shot himself, Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott says. Harold Levar Jeffcoat, 29, was arrested Sunday at the hospital where he was being treated for a gunshot wound to the buttocks, Lott said.

Jeffcoat was shot Saturday night after he stuck a gun into the stomach of a man getting into his car at a Wal-Mart in suburban northeast Richland County and demanded his keys, deputies said.

A woman in the passenger seat pulled a gun from the glove compartment and fired five shots at Jeffcoat, hitting him once, investigators said.

Lott is calling the couple heroes. The sheriff said police don't encourage people to go out and "just start shooting," but they do want people to protect themselves.

Jeffcoat also was wanted for at least nine other armed robberies across Columbia, Lott said.



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Old January 19th, 2007, 11:23 AM   #2 (permalink)
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wow, that'd be scary being forced into a situation like that...

oddly, it reminds me of a string of muggings that has been happening in pine hills/ocoee... where this group of guys is walking up to people and then pointing a shotgun their face...

it doesn't really have anything to do with that... but it reminds me of it...

still... yet another reason why people should think (even if it is just a little) before they do that crazy s***...

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Old January 19th, 2007, 12:34 PM   #3 (permalink)
 
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serves him for trying to rob somebody, just better be lucky it wasn't the other end.
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Old January 19th, 2007, 12:49 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Old January 19th, 2007, 12:52 PM   #5 (permalink)
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try that in california and you'd be arrested and sued for protecting yourself
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Old January 19th, 2007, 01:22 PM   #6 (permalink)
 
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Wow, that's like 30 minutes from where I live. Richland Northeast is pretty much the bad part of Columbia.
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Hahah, thats about what would happen in Maine. I plan on getting my CCW as soon as I can(its 21 in most states, correct?), as my dad has one and I will surely carry.
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Old January 19th, 2007, 03:20 PM   #9 (permalink)
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geeze, the women fired 5 shots and only one hit the person....she was only a couple feet away if she was by the gloved box and the man was near the drives side of the car.
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geeze, the women fired 5 shots and only one hit the person....she was only a couple feet away if she was by the gloved box and the man was near the drives side of the car.
shooting with your adrenaline pumping isn't an easy thing to do
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Old January 19th, 2007, 04:32 PM   #11 (permalink)
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That's so stupid. What if she killed that man? What a stupid reason to kill some one. Not to mention, if she fired 5 shots and only one hit.. where'd the other 4 go? She very well could have shot her own husband or any number of people going through the parking lot.
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What if she killed that man?

One less car jacker on the street. He pulled a gun first so she had every right to kill him.



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Old January 19th, 2007, 04:51 PM   #13 (permalink)
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One less car jacker on the street. He pulled a gun first so she had every right to kill him.
Says who? What are the odds that the guy would have actually shot him if he didnt give up the car?
That car jacker is still a human being.

I hardly find it justified.

She's lucky she didnt get her husband killed.. if the jacker had any intentions of killing them, dont you think he would have pulled the trigger and shot the man in the stomach when the women pulled a shot at him? Shes lucky she didnt start a fire fight, in which case the situation could have got a lot worse.
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The jacker kills the women, he's a murder.
The women kills the jacker, she's a hero.

They're both murders in my eyes.
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I'm going to have to go with dooms on this one. If you pull a gun on someone they have every right to shoot to kill. Yes he (mugger) is a human, but a human who just threatened the life of an innocent person for nothing more than personal gain. I agree that the woman was a crappy shot, and could have potentially injured someone else, but for all you know the area behind the gunman was clear and she recognized that before she shot (doubtful). Either way, if somebody ever threatens me or my loved ones with a firearm, I'm not going to talk nicely to them about their personal problems, or consider the fact that they too are a human being. I'm going to shoot them, and it's not going to be in the buttox.
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The jacker kills the women, he's a murder.
The women kills the jacker, she's a hero.

They're both murders in my eyes.
Killing in defense of yourself, other innocents, or personal property is not murder, and in most cases is entirely justified.
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Says who?
Legally. Sure, she can be sued and stuff later on, but legally (and morally in my mind) she was in the right. Justified self-defense. Exactly the same as if a guy pulled a gun on a cop and the cop killed him.



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Killing in defense of yourself, other innocents, or personal property is not murder, and in most cases is entirely justified.
Killing over property is ridiculous.

I can understand in a case such as that on a high-jacked plane, or a shooter on a rampage someplace that has already taken lives But to kill some one over property is absolutely ridiculous.

Who says it's not murder? And who says it's justified? Even if the law says it's not murder, that doesn't mean it's not murder.
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The jacker kills the women, he's a murder.
The women kills the jacker, she's a hero.

They're both murders in my eyes.
Carjacker:
-holds up INNOCENT people
-taking what is not his
-using threat of lethal force on INNOCENT people
-breaking the law

Woman:
-DEFENSE of husband/boyfriend
-DEFENSE of property
-DEFENSE of self


The woman did not attack the man on a whim. She REACTED. She reacted to a many pointing a ****ing gun in her loved one's stomach. If you see no difference, then your view is skewed and don't understand nature itself. Her instinctive reaction was to protect her husband and herself. That was her FIRST action. The theif's first action was to steal, threaten, intimidate, and quite possibly kill/maim. The fact that he's charged for 9 other robberies makes him a repeat thief/intimidator/potential murderer. Where do you get off saying he and the woman are the same? Shame on your pathetic view on the situation.
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I agree that in most cases, killing over property is ridiculous. What I meant was that in many states now, shooting and killing a home intruder who did not threaten you with violence is legal. And I firmly believe that if someone points a gun at you, you have to assume they are willing to pull the trigger. If they are crazy enough to pull a gun on you to steal your car for drug money, they are probably crazy enough to shoot. I feel no pity for violent criminals (mainly repeat offenders) regardless of what happened to them in the past. If you pull a gun on me, and I'm carrying, I'm not going to try and guess whether or not you are going to shoot me. I'm going to shoot you first to protect myself and others.
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Killing over property is ridiculous.

I can understand in a case such as that on a high-jacked plane, or a shooter on a rampage someplace that has already taken lives But to kill some one over property is absolutely ridiculous.

Who says it's not murder? And who says it's justified? Even if the law says it's not murder, that doesn't mean it's not murder.
It's not murder, a homicide yes, but not murder.



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Carjacker:
-holds up INNOCENT people
-taking what is not his
-using threat of lethal force on INNOCENT people
-breaking the law

Woman:
-DEFENSE of husband/boyfriend
-DEFENSE of property
-DEFENSE of self


The woman did not attack the man on a whim. She REACTED. She reacted to a many pointing a ****ing gun in her loved one's stomach. If you see no difference, then your view is skewed and don't understand nature itself. Her instinctive reaction was to protect her husband and herself. That was her FIRST action. The theif's first action was to steal, threaten, intimidate, and quite possibly kill/maim. The fact that he's charged for 9 other robberies makes him a repeat thief/intimidator/potential murderer. Where do you get off saying he and the woman are the same? Shame on your pathetic view on the situation.
Shame on my pathetic view of the situation? Either way a person dies. Whether one or the other was in the right, some one is dead. To me that is the matter at hand. Whether he/she was a good/bad person, whatever than intentions were or were not, they are now dead and now of that matters. What matters is that a human has had their life taken by another. I can't justify that in anyway. Im sure if some one was holding a gun to my children's head with the full intention to murder them, I would kill him first. But I would never ever be able to justify that to myself.

Where do I get off? I do not get off. I simply am stating my values on life and how I feel about the situation.
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It's not murder, a homicide yes, but not murder.
Explain. Do you mean like legally or is there a difference in definition?
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Explain. Do you mean like legally or is there a difference in definition?
Both legally and definition wise. A Murder is a type of homicide, but a homicide is not necessarily a type of murder. In order for it to be a murder it would have to be considered both unlawful and carried out with intent. Since it would have been considered a legally justified homicide it wouldn't be considered a murder. Neither would it be if she accidentally shot a bystander, since no intent is involved.

Anyway, I think we are looking to far into this. No one died and everything worked out fine. The bad guy is in jail (or a medical facility?) and both the husband and wife got to go home in their car unscathed. Could it have gone worse? Yes. Did it? Not at all.



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