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Old January 21st, 2007, 09:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hamlet

Alright guys, heres the deal.

I recently finished reading Hamlet in class and my teacher wants us to present some views, being as Hamlet is a very debatable character. Basically we have to go up there, state our view, then provide claims backing it up, or basically make ourselves look correct and be prepared for any question the class throws our way.

Now heres the idea, most if not all of my class is doing the "oh I think hes not crazy but through pressures and all that **** he went crazy" type deal. Basically the teacher gave us a list with like 5 views, all basically repeating themselves. NOW heres the catch, she said we can make our own view. Now this started off as a joke, I was going to suggest Hamlet is gay. But then after further pondering, thought about how well I can back this up. Now in all seriousness, he probably isnt gay, but the point of the presentation is have a view and be able to back it up.

So, heres were you guys come in, for those who've read Hamlet obviously, think of a legitimate point to prove me wrong.
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Old January 21st, 2007, 09:49 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I've read Hamlet many times, seen the Kenneth Branagh movie, seen the play, done the play, etc.

Post the arguments you have and I'll tell you what I think.

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Old January 21st, 2007, 10:03 PM   #3 (permalink)
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!!!!!!may CONTAIN SPOILERS!!!!!

alright basically:
-hamlets whole deal with ophelia was a giant cover up to get with laurtes and not be to suspicious
-hamlet has no remorse after killing claudious because hamlet knew that claudious knew about his gay love affair
-Hamlets little scene and argument with laurtes at ophelias berrial was just a further cover up
-the whole scene at the end was intended to kill everyone important so him and laurtes can be together (since i dont believe he knew the swords were switched when he stabbed him)

I think thats it for now, its still pretty rough since I just started thinking about it. But I was talking with a friend and we had a hard time proving this wrong.
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Old January 21st, 2007, 10:12 PM   #4 (permalink)
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haha.. hamlet gay..
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Old January 21st, 2007, 10:21 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Sorry, but that's really stupid.
Laertes pure contempt towards Halmet for the murder of Polonius is more than enough reason to discredit.
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Old January 21st, 2007, 10:22 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Well first off, it would greatly help your case if you used specific quotes.

Second off, you're ignoring the driving force behind Hamlet - his father's murder. You can't make assumptions that he is gay unless you come up with a sound argument dealing with his father.

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-hamlet has no remorse after killing claudious because hamlet knew that claudious knew about his gay love affair
In his "rogue and peasant slave am I" soliloquy, Hamlet says

"That I, the son of a dear father murder'd,
Prompted to my revenge by heaven and hell,"

This is just one example showing that Hamlet was driven to kill Claudius by his father's murder, and not a gay love affair.

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-hamlets whole deal with ophelia was a giant cover up to get with laurtes and not be to suspicious
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-Hamlets little scene and argument with laurtes at ophelias berrial was just a further cover up
Though I don't have an exact passage to quote, I know Hamlet mentions prior to Ophelia's suicide his feelings for her. He even speaks of them in a soliloquy, so you would have a hard time proving that Hamlet is covering up when he speaks of her even to himself.

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Old January 21st, 2007, 10:35 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Try to prove that Hamlet is actually not crazy, but extremely intelligent. That he knows, and everything is an act. The whole bugging out at the funeral was an act to make everyone believe he was crazy. Think about it.
This was the source of an ongoing debate in our class.

For my essay I argued that Ophelia was a neccessary aspect of the play. Some people thought she wasnt. I got like 96 on that essay.
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Old January 21st, 2007, 11:08 PM   #8 (permalink)
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This is just one example showing that Hamlet was driven to kill Claudius by his father's murder, and not a gay love affair.



Though I don't have an exact passage to quote, I know Hamlet mentions prior to Ophelia's suicide his feelings for her. He even speaks of them in a soliloquy, so you would have a hard time proving that Hamlet is covering up when he speaks of her even to himself.

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ah crap, i meant polonious, not claudious. as in "he had no remourse for polonious"
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