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Old March 22nd, 2013, 02:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm planning on upgading my computer so I can start to play a lot more games on it and here's what I've decided to buy:

1. Intel Core i5 3570K Unlocked Quad Core Processor LGA1155 3.4GHZ Ivy Bridge 6MB Retail - $239.99

2. Corsair Enthusiast Series TX750M 750W ATX Modular Power Supply Active PFC 120mm Fan 5 Year Warranty - $119.99

3. PNY GeForce GTX 670 980MHZ 2GB 6GHZ GDDR5 2xDVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Video Card - $339.99

(This is the site i'm buying from: NCIX - Buy Computers, Computer Parts, Laptops, World's Leading Discount Computer Store)

Would this help make my computer a decent gaming reg?
Could I find a way to make it a good gaming computer for cheaper?
Should I bother upgrading my fan and motherboard?
Would you change anything on this list?
Is 750W too little, enough or too much power?
Is this everything I'd need to upgrade?
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 02:31 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm planning on upgading my computer so I can start to play a lot more games on it and here's what I've decided to buy:

1. Intel Core i5 3570K Unlocked Quad Core Processor LGA1155 3.4GHZ Ivy Bridge 6MB Retail - $239.99

2. Corsair Enthusiast Series TX750M 750W ATX Modular Power Supply Active PFC 120mm Fan 5 Year Warranty - $119.99

3. PNY GeForce GTX 670 980MHZ 2GB 6GHZ GDDR5 2xDVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Video Card - $339.99

(This is the site i'm buying from: NCIX - Buy Computers, Computer Parts, Laptops, World's Leading Discount Computer Store)

Would this help make my computer a decent gaming reg?
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Could I find a way to make it a good gaming computer for cheaper?
You could go with a dual core hyperthreaded processor. VERY few games (yet) are heavily threaded, so there is rarely a difference in performance at the same cpu speed between a chip that can do 4 threads (2 cores hyperthreaded) and one that can do 8 threads (quad core hyper threaded). You WILL see a performance difference in some applications, but not games.
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Should I bother upgrading my fan and motherboard?
Depends on what you have now...
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Would you change anything on this list?
I've actually been looking to upgrade my GTX460 to a GTX670 myself. Keep failing to find one that's a good enough price to convince me, however.
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Is 750W too little, enough or too much power?
Is this everything I'd need to upgrade?
750 should be more than sufficient for that. If you wanted to go to something crazy like a GTX 690, I'd say go larger, but for a 670 it'll be fine. I might even say get a quality 650 instead so that you're more in the "efficiency zone" of your psu. HOwever, the 750 would give you more headroom for future expansion without having to replace it. How old and what type is your primary hard drive, that might be useful to upgrade if you're using a single drive that isn't an SSD if you want optimal performance. Also, how much ram?
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 02:47 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Originally the hard drive had 914 GB available and now currently has 817 GB. The hard drive is a Gateway model from around 2010-2011. Oh and it says the file system is: NTFS. I have 8.2 GB DDR3 RAM.

This is what I currently have:

Proccesor:
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 750 @ 2.67GHz

CPU Speed
You Have: 2.7 GHz

RAM
You Have: 8.2 GB

OS:
You Have: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition Service Pack 1 (build 7601), 64-bit

Video Card:
You Have: ATI Radeon HD 5570

Minimum attributes of your Video Card:

Pixel Shader version 5.0

Vertex Shader version 5.0

Dedicated Video RAM 1.0 GB

Sound Card:
ATI High Definition Audio Device
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 03:04 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Alright - prepare for me to write you "the book". Hit the bathroom, make a sandwich, and get ready for a long read.



First and fore-most... we need to know what you want to do with your new build, what your qualifications are, and if you have any limitations you wish to put in place.

This can be but is not limited to:
*Liquid Cooling
*Noise
*HTPC/Form Factor
*Showcasing

Any and all of those will vastly change my advise and opinions of different things.

First off - it seems you've decided to look towards Intel. Current chip performance vs. dollar ratios show that AMD is better bang-4-buck from 50- ~250 price points. Above that point, you're better off going Intel. The reason for this is that AMD's CPU's can't scratch an i7...and that's about 15-20 from where the i7's start. See link below for exhibit of this with acutal pricing. The i5 you've chosen is within roughly 4 performance points of an AMD FX-8320, but costs $30 more. If you're Intel biased, and a name is worth $30...go for it. If not, consider saving the cash to be spent elsewhere - or invest more capital into your CPU. I just built a machine using an i7 3770 ($280) - and nothing can touch it. Windows was on and installed in 10 minutes. Just something to think about. Speaking in a current, common game - WOW...is very processor heavy within a multi-user (raid) environment. That game is far more processor dependent than Video Card. You can put the best spinners in the modern world on a Honda Civic..but it'll still just be a Civic

Charts, benchmarks CPU Charts 2012, [14] SiSoftware Sandra 2012 SP4c Pro


Motherboards - are going to be 400% more robust than you need them to be. As far as brands go - I like Gigabyte..though I'm finding more bias towards ASUS as of late. There are 2 things to look for in a board. 4+ ram sockets, and PCIe x 16 3.0. Most all boards over $80 are going to include SATA 6.0g/s ..and unless you're worried about running xFire/SLI... opting for more PCIe slots is just wasteful.

RAM - match your FSB on the chip to your ram speed. I like Corsair Dominator and Vengence series. Not really much to say about these.

Video Cards - A dollar amount between 60 adn 100% of your processor purchase price should be spent here...if not more. I don't do NVIDIA cards - but speaking on AMD/ATI - if you're going to invest the money - Look towards a 6870 or a 7870. The x770 series are like...top of the line media cards... and getting a xx50 card is just going to make you feel like you're dating a hottie's less attractive sister.

Power Supply - This is going to depend on what you choose to run in the machine. The personal needs within a machine are grossly overstated by sales people. In current times - 1 cpu, 1 board, 4 sticks of ram, a gamer video card, 2 hdd's and an optical should be able to run on a 550w PSU as long as you observe proper power rail balancing. If you're looking at adding more hard disks...jump it 100watts. 2 video cards and more hard disks? jump to a 750/800. Power problems are the trickiest to troubleshoot - as they only exist when you're pulling more power than the PSU can accommodate - and cause intermittent and infrequent, unscripted lockups and random restarts. I pretty much replaced all computer components in my old rig trying to address this problem..just to find out none of my old parts were bad - I just had too much running off not enough.

TL;DR - your questions
Would this help make my computer a decent gaming rIg?
*depends on the needs of your system, what you're looking to do, what you're looking to run, and how long you want to stay relevant without upgrading.
Could I find a way to make it a good gaming computer for cheaper?
see Q1
Should I bother upgrading my fan and motherboard?
Does your motherboard support socket 1155's? Is that the socket of the chip you're going for? Are you just upgrading from one i5 to the next? Are you worried about noise?
Would you change anything on this list?
Personally? My computer is something I take pride in... its my Dye clothing & 2100 custom anodized, custom milled private label, one of a kind tournament marker. Would I change anything? everything...
Is 750W too little, enough or too much power?
Depends on what you anticipate running within your system. As an ignorant statement - I think its overkill.
Is this everything I'd need to upgrade?
Again - this depends on what board you're running...etc.


List what you currently have...I may be able to help you from there.
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Proccesor:
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 750 @ 2.67GHz

Sockets Supported
LGA1156


I'll have to look into whether the 1156 and 1155 are cross/backwards compatible.. but I'd wager $10 that it won't be cross-compatible.


Quick google search says - its a different pin-out.
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 03:11 PM   #6 (permalink)
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What I currently have is listed above your comment.
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 03:17 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Ok - without adding too much more into this and getting overly technical -

To replace your CPU - you stand to gain...a bit.. but not enough to justify the $250 cost (to me) + the cost of a new board.

As far as a comparison of benchmarks - the 3570 is very attractive - but coupling that with a new motherboard is going to result in a $350+ expenditure...and basically a new system..and likely an invalidated copy of Windows7 if you bought it OEM or this is a commercially built machine (dell, hp, alienware).

Keep your current CPU - beef up the video card, and run it until you start having issues..... or that's what I'd do.
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Yeah, different pin-out on the board means new board needed. Without getting a new board there's almost no upgrading of the processor you can do with the 1156, the 750 is already very nearly the best one available.
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Old March 22nd, 2013, 03:31 PM   #9 (permalink)
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The machine was a pre-built gateway.

So I'd be unable to upgrade the CPU at all with my current motherboard?
If I can't upgrade my CPU, all I should do is upgrade my graphics card?
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If I can't upgrade to a better intel processor can I upgrade to a better AMD one?
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Socket type is the pin configuration on the bottom of the processor. Unless the two numbers match, you're putting a round peg into a square hole.
your current setup will not support the processor you're looking to add. You'd have to replace the board too:

$250 + 120 = 370

Changing your motherboard and processor is going to make your computer realize that it is no longer a Gateway - and cause your windows to belly-up.

$370 + 99 = $469

Since this was a pre-built - you will likely need to replace teh power supply to give yourself sufficient overhead to support a better graphics card:
469 + 80 = $549


Ram moves over $0
Hard disks move over $0 (though you're getting to the point where you can't trust them... '09 cpu.. probably '09 hard disks...5 year rule...

then..the video card...

$549 + 210= $759

And now - that you aren't using gateway formfactor - new case:
$759 + $60 = $819

and for less than 10% more - you can step up to the 3750 ivy bridge i7 cpu. A lot of the MMO's and Blizzard games are supporting more and more threaded architecture, and it appears to be the way game design is headed...so this may give you a bit longer period of time between upgrades.



Since the machine is a pre-built Gateway - its like a Honda Civic EX. A nice vehicle.. but certainly not a race car. You'll have to gut the machine, leaving few - if any - original parts, to achieve what I perceive as being your desired results.

You COULD swap out your PSU and Video Card...but that'll cost you ~$300...and that expense puts you well on your way to a new machine...
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If I can't upgrade to a better intel processor can I upgrade to a better AMD one?
AMD CPU's use socket type AM2/AM2+/AM3/AM3+.

unfortunately - those aren't cross-compatible with socket 1156 motherboards.
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So what parts do you recommend I buy?
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What are you trying to do with it? and what dollar amount do I have to work with?

Special needs? Special Requirements?
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All I'm looking to do is get a good gaming reg that can run any game on the market on decent settings.

You have around $690 to spend, hopefully less.
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Am I able to salvage from your prior machine? Or would you prefer to keep that whole?
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Am I able to salvage from your prior machine? Or would you prefer to keep that whole?
Salvaging is encouraged.
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Salvaging is encouraged, I don't need two computers. Just do whatever is cheaper.
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So what would I be able to salvage from my old computer?

Would I need to buy a new copy of windows 7 or is everything I need on your list?
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oh - damn..forgot that...


get a copy of WIn7 Home OEM for 70-90 bucks...

you'd salvage your RAM, your HDD, and your DVD-ROM/burner.


I think that's everything

CPU + Board + Ram
Optical + video + power
Hard disk + Case + OS

I'm pretty sure we hit everything on the head within budget +/- 5%
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Benchmark Results: SiSoftware Sandra 2013 Beta : AMD FX-8350 Review: Does Piledriver Fix Bulldozer's Flaws?

Just for those curious - Benchmarking stats using SiSoftware for the suggested CPU.

and the 3dMark stats shown as both overall outcome & combined bang-4-buck
http://community.futuremark.com/hard...FX-8320/review
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Benchmark Results: SiSoftware Sandra 2013 Beta : AMD FX-8350 Review: Does Piledriver Fix Bulldozer's Flaws?

Just for those curious - Benchmarking stats using SiSoftware for the suggested CPU.
I always thought AMD processors weren't very good... I guess I was wrong.

Which windows 7 OS would I want? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116986

or would I want windows 8 (I've heard it's a dud)?

Oh, and what about outlook,word,powerpoint and stuff? Would I need to buy those too?
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IMO, just stick with what you have and upgrade the graphics if you have the room. Your pc's not outdated enough to bother replacing IMO.
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I think I'm going to upgrade my GPU to an HD 7950 but am yet to decide which one. Do you guys have any idea which 7950 is good?

I was thinking either:

This one GIGABYTE GV-R795WF3-3GD Radeon HD 7950 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card - Newegg.com

Or this one SAPPHIRE 100352-2L Radeon HD 7950 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card - Newegg.com

But I don't really know so if you think a different one than the ones I listed would be good, let me know.
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