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Old April 2nd, 2004, 02:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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broke down an built a new PC!

well my old PC crapped out on me. so today i went and picked up a new motherboard/CPU combo AMD 3000+ Pro processor, got 256mb of RAM, now im back ! i put in a cool case as well. next i will be getting a new vid card. any suggestions?
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Old April 2nd, 2004, 03:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old April 2nd, 2004, 03:24 PM   #3 (permalink)
 
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Nvidia Geforce 4 is a very good video card, but also very expensive. I have a Geforce 2 and i love it.
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Old April 2nd, 2004, 03:32 PM   #4 (permalink)
 
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Geforce 4 isnŽt that expensive. Also, with that kinda setup a Geforce 2 will most likely slow down the system or just not be able to keep up with recent graphic effects. Try an older Radeon or maybe Geforce FX if you have the budget for it but keep in mind that youŽll need a strong PSU (< 350 Watts) cuz they need a bunch of electricity to run.
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Old April 2nd, 2004, 03:48 PM   #5 (permalink)
 
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Hmm I don't know the exact video card i have, but my computer isn't slow by any means and the card keeps up with everything I have tried. I'll check and see what i have..
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Old April 2nd, 2004, 03:53 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Contact SEAL-1 for help with video cards and stuff. That man is a genious when it comes to comps. I haven't seen him post too much lately, but he is probably still around.

And I think you meant >350 for the PSU...as in 350 Watts or higher...not lower. Right? But yeah....Get a good PSU (Power Supply Unit, btw). They're not that expensive.

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Old April 2nd, 2004, 04:38 PM   #7 (permalink)
 
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yea more me atleast 512 (total) Maybe ia bigger hard drive fdepending on what you have. How fast is that processor?
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Old April 2nd, 2004, 04:58 PM   #8 (permalink)
 
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i have a 420 power supply. i plan on getting more mem soon! i currently have a 40 gig HD thats plenty. im thinking of a 128mb Geforce 4 card im just not sure which one.
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Old April 2nd, 2004, 05:27 PM   #9 (permalink)
 
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Get a Radeon 9600Pro. It can blow a GeForce4 away in graphics, and is more recent, and compatible with DX9. Also, get more memory.
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Old April 2nd, 2004, 05:31 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I have a g-froce 4 ti 4200 and I love it. Got it for 100. Don't know about radeon though. They do have good graphics, but I've also heard of people having problems with them. Also, like everyone else said, get more memory
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Old April 3rd, 2004, 12:38 PM   #11 (permalink)
 
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Yeah, I meant to say > 350 Watts. 420 Watts is alright for now and a Geforce 4 doesnŽt sound to bad either although IŽd go with what Prophet said and get a Radeon,
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420w, would that be an Antec power supply? or what brand name, it does have alot to do with the quality. 420 would be great if its a good brand name, should power any card you'd even need...

CPU is a fair choice, I'm not fan of AMD really, but overall thats a good value right now...

What kinda board did you get? Does its chipset support dual channel DDR? If so, pick up another matching stick of 256mb memory, and use it in the 2nd slot for dual channel goodness...If it supports dual chan. you'll notice a huge differernce in memory bandwidth by useing 2 256mb stick as opposed to 1 512mb stick. What speed if your memory btw, and brand? 512 is pretty much a minimum I'd reccomend

Graphics card! Radeon over Nvidia any day of the week...Unless your motherbaord has the built in NForce chipset, which has onboard graphics and they should actully be a fair setup. IF not, Radeon all the way! I have a 9800XT, absolutly wicked fast. I run Unreal 2004 at 1600x resolution, 32 bit color, at a min of 40 fps. Its awesome. I reccomend you look into the 9600XT, its a great card also. A little higher end then the PRO version of the same card. How much you looking to spend, and what kinda games do you play? What resolution do you use, and what type of monitor? Lots of things to consider when buying the best card for your system.

I have lots of experience with building computers, so if you have any questions feel free to ask me!

Also, what CPU cooler do you have? Intesterst in overclocking? That CPU you have should be able to push the equivilent of 3500+ speeds with a good cooler, and most likely make less noise then it does now, if you have a stock one...

If you have a stock one, I reccomend not using the stupid thermal pad on the back of it. Scrap it off, and smooth out the block, and use some Antec Silver on it...Dropped my temps by 3 degree C.
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Old April 3rd, 2004, 02:23 PM   #13 (permalink)
 
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more memory definately. My dads computer has 512MB and my laptop has a little over a GHz of mem.

As for the video card, my laptop has an ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 PRO w/128MB DDR. Very nice graphics card.
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Old April 3rd, 2004, 04:07 PM   #14 (permalink)
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CPU is a fair choice, I'm not fan of AMD really, but overall thats a good value right now...
Gah! Not a fan!?!? Are you one of those.....*shudder* Intel supporters??

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I'm sorry but for the extream top-end, intel owns. I live on the edge with my system, and as far as I know, there isn't much out thats faster then me...Benchmark to benchmark the fastest amd machines can't match me. Intel rocks, but you definatly pay for the premium.

BTW, I sport Dual P4 Xeon 3.2ghz CPUs w/HT, overclocked and liquid cooled at 3.9ghz (Each, that is) running PC4200 RAM @ 1:1 with FSB.

So yeah, AMD to me is just a budget CPU. It'll work fine, most times it all you'll ever need, but if you want more, you pay for it.

Don't get me wrong, I have a couple AMD boxes, one is an awesome gaming rig with a Barton 2500+ overclocked to 3200+. Its all you'll need for most top end games. For my primary gaming computer I use a liquid cooled 2.4c P4 clocked at 3.22ghz. (If ya didn't notice, I love to overclock)
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mine does support overclocking, but honestly i dont know enough about doing it to try it out. maybe later it has a huge fan on top of a heatsink for cooling. i was thinking of doing a watercooled setup later. the price is why i picked it up. $119 for the board, processor, fan wasnt bad and well in the budget. it allowed me to pick up a new case as well. as far as the RAM and the dual channel stuff heII if i know LOL
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Old April 3rd, 2004, 05:25 PM   #17 (permalink)
 
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man if i were you id go snatch the all-in-wonder 9600 pro, not only is it a nice ati, but its also got the whole tv tuner deal, and i think thats tight, but thats just me.
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I'm sorry but for the extream top-end, intel owns. I live on the edge with my system, and as far as I know, there isn't much out thats faster then me...Benchmark to benchmark the fastest amd machines can't match me. Intel rocks, but you definatly pay for the premium.

BTW, I sport Dual P4 Xeon 3.2ghz CPUs w/HT, overclocked and liquid cooled at 3.9ghz (Each, that is) running PC4200 RAM @ 1:1 with FSB.

So yeah, AMD to me is just a budget CPU. It'll work fine, most times it all you'll ever need, but if you want more, you pay for it.

Don't get me wrong, I have a couple AMD boxes, one is an awesome gaming rig with a Barton 2500+ overclocked to 3200+. Its all you'll need for most top end games. For my primary gaming computer I use a liquid cooled 2.4c P4 clocked at 3.22ghz. (If ya didn't notice, I love to overclock)

bah xeons are just intel taking a server processor and releasing it like its some hot ****, if i wanted to go into makeing a real high-end rig, i would definetley go for the amd 64 fx, the 64 bit processors are so much better than the intels, but then again intel is supposedly gonna release alot of them soon.
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Intel will release Prescott, which is supposedly 64 bit, they are very sectrative about it, so who knows...

Right now, Xeon's kick the **** outta A64...Once Windows64 is realeased, that will definatly be a different story. There isn't a whole lotta apps able to take advantage of 64bit cpus yet, but once their is, it'll be a good processor. Microsoft however won't release W64 until Intel is ready to release their 64 bit cpu's...so you can see where thats going...

And BTW, the XT versions of the ATI card have whats called VIVO. Video In-Video Out. Allows you to output composite or s-video to a tv, and input composite or s-video to your computer. Granted its not a full TV tuner, but it does allow for very nice video capture if thats what your looking for.
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Old April 4th, 2004, 06:36 PM   #20 (permalink)
 
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xeons are no better than an intel p4, ur just buying into the crap intel throws around, as for windows, if it wasnt what i was brought up on, id probably kick it out the door and go to linux, but what the hay im already so used to it.
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Your right, Xeon isn't much better then P4's...BUT you can't have a dual P4 setup...Xeon's are just P4's designed to be ran in pairs...Plus the on die memory is 1mb, which does help performance a bit, but usually not extreamly noticable...
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thats because xeons are server cpu's which means they use alot more juice, and lose alot more of it too, they are hotter, and not meant to be on and off, they are meant to run constantly which means ur pc will overheat quicker unless you put in some massive cooling, which implies more money
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Xeons don't care if their turned on and off alot, thats got nothing to do with it...And really they don't run a whole lot hotter...I'm running overclocked dualies off a 520w Antec without a bit of trouble, along with a system drive an RAID array. My Xeon's sit right at 34c, with a case temp of 27c, and room temp of 24c. So 10 degrees above room temp is great, most p4 stock cools don't even cool that great. And this is just a basic water cooled setup, both CPU's running off the same loop too. Plus Xeon's can handle greater temps then a P4 too...

I'd have to check my vcore, but I don't really think their running much higher voltage then my P4
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Old April 4th, 2004, 10:48 PM   #24 (permalink)
 
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well your talking water cooled, im tired and didnt think of that, god im getting alzheimers, 520 thats alot bigger than most people psu's thats actually really big, xeons dont have a big deal, its just that their peak performance comes from constant running, and consistent work, not that ur gonna notice it. sorry if i seemed i was trying to flame you, just cranky and handing out some constructive criticism
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Old April 4th, 2004, 10:58 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Dude... buy more like 512 mb of ram.
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