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Old April 12th, 2004, 08:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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M16 vs AK47

Why does the millitary use M16's compared to AK47's?

Ak47's are more powerfull (.76 to .2something )

AK47's are accurate up to 300 yards

I hear M16's jam a lot more than them aswell.

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Old April 12th, 2004, 08:29 PM   #2 (permalink)
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ak47 look more terrorist like I guess. I dont like m16s at all. I'd take an rpk-74 over both though
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Old April 12th, 2004, 08:31 PM   #3 (permalink)
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The M16 would be more controllable due to the smaller bullet (5.56mm, AK is 7.62) but I hear they DO jam a lot. I'd probably take the AK unless the M16 didn't jam.
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maybe they want to be different

ak47s are the most widley used firearm in the world
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Old April 12th, 2004, 08:32 PM   #5 (permalink)
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m16 isnt made to kill a guy, its made to injur them.

when a guy is killed, they leave them and get them later, but when one is injuered, it takes an extra guy or two to haul him back to where he is safe, thus, minimizing their active numbers.
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Old April 12th, 2004, 08:32 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Can't you modify the m16 more or no?
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Old April 12th, 2004, 08:33 PM   #7 (permalink)
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m16's have 5.56 bullrts which are faster and go farther and the m16 is more accurate. The AK is durable. thats it. Besides we use the M4 now the m16 is almost ancient
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Old April 12th, 2004, 08:38 PM   #8 (permalink)
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AK-47 because you can buy one in Africa for 50 (american) dollars. and you can throw em in the dirt, mud, and theyre fine.
m-16 do jam.
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Old April 12th, 2004, 08:38 PM   #9 (permalink)
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The M16 model is growing old, yes, however it's concept isn't. With A2, and M4's cluttering the market, it's not going anywhere for a while.

Besides, Ak's are Gas powered.. F-That .
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Old April 12th, 2004, 09:12 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Ak-47's are the Tippmann 98's of real guns.
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Old April 12th, 2004, 09:26 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Plus M16's (and its evolved cousin, the M4 Carbine) are patriotic. If you support the use of Kalashnikovs, you get called a dirty terrorist.

I'll take an M16 over an AK anyday, I've always disliked wood stocks and Russia in general. A lot of sub-par quality stuff comes out of that crapped-out nation anyway, I wouldn't put my life on the line with a gun made there.
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M4s don't jam much. Where'd you hear that?

If you're talking about the stories in Iraq, it's because some of our soldiers are morons and don't know how to take proper care of their weapons.

If you go into battle, and you have a weapon that'll keep you alive, if you're smart, you'll take care of it, and you won't have any problems with jamming.
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Old April 12th, 2004, 09:39 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Re: M16 vs AK47

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Ak47's are more powerfull (.76 to .2something )
As mentioned above, the .30 AK47 does make a bigger hole then the .223 M16.

However, the thinking behind the .223 is that 1 hit from a .223 bullet will take somebody out of action just as easily as a .30 bullet. A casualty is a casualty.
Plus, the .223 weighs MUCH less, you can carry much MORE, and has less recoil during full-auto fire.

As a result, the .223 ends up being a better bullet for human targets.
BTW, the Russians switched over to .223 A LONG TIME AGO. The .223 version of the AK47 is called the AK74. Its mostly 3rd world countries using the .30 AK47.... and most of those are left-overs from the 60-70s.

Beyond that, its a lot of politics. The M16 is a beautiful rifle. Lighter, and more accurate then the AK47. Much more control during F/A and burst. But, the M16 needs to be kept clean, and the proper ammo needs to be used, or it will suffer failures.

I've shot both, and like both. Both beautifully represent the design concepts they are trying to fullfil. But, in all honesty, both are out-of-date designs. The M4 and AK74su are stop-gap measures, until 21st century combat arms make it to our soldiers.

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Old April 12th, 2004, 09:41 PM   #14 (permalink)
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M16 pwnzors the AK
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AK-47 because you can buy one in Africa for 50 (american) dollars. and you can throw em in the dirt, mud, and theyre fine.
m-16 do jam.
Your opinion might be a little biased so i dunno.
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Plus M16's (and its evolved cousin, the M4 Carbine) are patriotic. If you support the use of Kalashnikovs, you get called a dirty terrorist.
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Well...as far as a 5.56 X 45 NATO Ball round putting someone down just as well as a 7.62 X 39 FMJ goes, you have to look at it like this:

The current Ball round (standard issue ammunition) is the 5.56mm Greentip, which is topped with a tungsten cutter head designed to penetrate body armor. When you shoot this round at someone who isn't wearing any body armor, it slices right through their body and the exit wound is about the same as the entrance wound. There are documented cases where people have continued to shoot back after being shot eight or nine times in non-critical points (shoulders, arms, legs, etc.) because the greentip round goes right through them. Yes, it hurts them, but its not the same as being hit by a FMJ round that will expand slightly and do more damage. Its more comparable to being stabbed with a razor-sharp ice pick.
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The current Ball round (standard issue ammunition) is the 5.56mm Greentip, which is topped with a tungsten cutter head designed to penetrate body armor.
The SS109s were designed to tumble apon entry. This way, they are still lethal when fired on people without vests due to overwhelming hydrostatic shock.

Likewise, most AK47 ammo is steel-core, which has the same basic problem. It does not expand, but also does not tumble, and can end up being less fatal.

But... thats the problem with ballistics. Everyone has anecodotal evidence to contradict someone elses anecdotes.

That said, I'm always amused when some ignorant reporter will comment on the Ar15 by calling it a "high-powered, sniper, assult-rifle".
When none of those things are true.

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Let's look at the pros and cons of each gun.

M16
Pros
*Faster cyclic rate of fire
*Lighter ammo
*Can carry more ammo on longer trips
*Easier modification to fit your needs
Cons
*Some think the .223 round is too small
*Fouls up easy
*MUST clean regularly, even in combat situations
*Jams easily
Summary
The M16 was made to injure rather than kill. This is to tie up enemy resources and takemore men out of the fight. This is smart. The M16 is a very high velocity round, and it fragments upon hitting the body. Very good damage insurance. Also, you have MUCH better control under the F/A selection of the M-16A1/M-16A3/M4A1 due to the bolt not being as heavy and due to the way the M16 cycles.

AK-47
Pros
*Very powerful--made to kill
*Practically indestructable
*Doesn't require much traning
*Not as much cleaning as required with the M-16.
Cons
*Very inaccurate after the 3rd shot
*Very heavy bolt (lots of recoil)
*Not good in a F/A mode.
*The way it cycles is dirty
Summary
Overall, a well built gun. Been around longer than the M-16, but had it's fair share of problems. Viewed mainly as a terrorist/rogue rifle, it is normally used in anti-US operations. Intended to kill, it doesn't tie up resources as well as the M-16.

Overall
I like both. I've shot both. The AK is more rugged, but there's something about the stigma attached to it. The M-16/M4 on the other hand, is a very wonderful rifle. So many mods to it that are possible, you can mold it any way you want. Overall, I'd take an M-16A3 or M4A1 over an AK-47 most any day.

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I am an owner of a 2003---7.62X39mm Romainian Ak. I have shot both guns. My friend has 2--.223 bushmasters. I do like both guns. I like the Ak better though. It is easer to disassemble and clean for one. It is not as accurate but packs more punch. I can hold a 2" group at 100yards. With my Cobra RedDot sight I am holding 12" groups at 400 yards with a 16" barrel. Not too bad for a gun with sloppy tolerances huh ?
That is why it can cycle with sand and dirt in the gun...sloppy tolerances... I got the gun at a local dealer for $385. Compare that to the $700 Bushmasters. Another good selling point is the cheap ammunition. Wolf Ammo runs $79 for 1000 rounds....The Bushmaster has trouble jamming on this ammo though. It has a varnished steel case and gets hot and leaves residue in chamber. You need good ammunition in a M16 because of the high tolerances. Use Brass Cased...

AK wins !!!

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Old April 12th, 2004, 10:42 PM   #23 (permalink)
 
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I'd rather have an SKS than an AK.

More accurate, way easier to disassemble, higher tolerances, and most of all, you can get them right now for less than $100. My friend found this dealer in Texas with a ton of 90% condition Yugoslavian SKS's from the mid-50's, selling for $90 before shipping and your local dealer's FFL fees.
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I'd take the AK, if I were in battle I'd want the gun that wouldn't jam.

Don't AK bullets "tumble" when they're inside the body?
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Old April 12th, 2004, 10:51 PM   #25 (permalink)
 
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Yea but my Romainian AK can accept 30 round magazines. Not to mention the 100 round Front loading Chinese Drum or the Romainian 75 round toploading drum. Dude have you ever shot an AK ? I have shot an SKS also. They are a pain in the ass to load. 10 round fixed stripper clips...give me a break....
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