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View Poll Results: Is abortion wrong?

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Old May 2nd, 2004, 01:59 AM   #1 (permalink)
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What do you guys think in general about abortion. Do you think it's wrong completely, wrong to an extent, or do you think that it's ok?

Edit:Oh and if you decide to post, please indicate in your post which choice you chose. Thanks.

I personally believe that it's completely wrong. I believe such because it is murder.
How can people say that (partial birth abortions used in this example) a partially born baby is not a human being yet when we define a living, capable, human being as having brainwaves, pulse, etc... (basically an active mind)? This makes no sense. If it can have thoughts just outside the birth canal, then why can't it have them inside and before birth as well.
Granted that the mind at such ages is not developed as it has not been in an environment where it can explore and learn.

What are the ethics that you base your opinion on?
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Old May 2nd, 2004, 02:26 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Granted that the mind at such ages is not developed as it has not been in an environment where it can explore and learn.
I think that's where the gray area starts. The 'baby' is undoubtedly human, but is it a 'person'? Is it an 'individual'?

To analyze the question, "is abortion justifiable?" you have to consider the ethical problems that make murder universally wrong, but make abortion divisive and controversial. When you murder someone, be it a child, a baby, an adult, or an elderly person, you're robbing their loved ones of their existance, and extinguishing an individual person. But what makes a person an individual? Merely existing, or having and developing a life, through interaction, thought, and experience. If a baby's parents don't even want them, they have no loved ones. Before a baby is out of the womb, they may be alive, but do they have a 'life' to take, and is it worth forced pregnancy for every woman?

I can't answer those questions deffinitavely, but I'm not sure anyone else can either. I can't see myself ever wanting to resort to an abortion myself, but all the same, I don't think it's my place to say. Since there isn't really an overwhelming argument for either case, I think it's premature to make laws against it. So there's my stance. At this point, it should really be the woman's right to choose. And do you really want people attempting abortions outside of a real medical clinic?
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Old May 2nd, 2004, 02:32 AM   #3 (permalink)
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So, what was your vote?
Well said (Idon't agree, but well said); and I like the fact that you use complete sentences and paragraphs in your posts. I noticed that a long time ago and you are still consistent. Thanks for writing correctly.
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Old May 2nd, 2004, 02:50 AM   #4 (permalink)
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lol thank you. It does tend to haunt me, though. Nobody wants to read my rants.

But I did vote a "no" actually. I don't think that there is a solid case that it is "wrong." I do understand, however, that some people are very offended by it, perhaps justifiably so. In that case, my best reccomendation is "then don't have abortions." But I don't think that's always going to be good enough. I have a hard time standing behind a law that is going to alienate half of the U.S. over a relatively small percentage of unwanted fetuses, especially when most proposed legislation doesn't even extend the reasonable compromise of abortions performed to protect the mother.
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Say no to abortion shooting babies in the head with a shotgun is much more fun.
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Old May 2nd, 2004, 03:58 AM   #7 (permalink)
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lol kind of reminds me of Bill Hicks talking about the Gulf war.

"I was in the unenviable position of being for the war.. but against the troops."
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I agree with celebc....abortion is wrong. In some cases I think it is justifiable like when the baby or the mother is in danger of dying, or when the mother may have been raped. Other than that, I think it is wrong. They had sex with that man in the first place, they should be willing to accept the consequences.
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I believe abortion is wrong.

A baby fetus has a brain, and by the time of abortion, it also has a heart, lungs...etc...

When a baby is killed, it is fully developed, it just never makes it out of the womb alive.

People say "but what if the mother doesn't want the child?"
well, if you don't want a child, don't have sex. It's that easy.

I think that if the mother will die, then yes the baby can be killed.

If you have a baby you don't want, put it up for adoption.
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Abortion is wrong. Execpt in the cases of rape and to protect the health/life of the mother.
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I think its the womens right to choose if they want an abortion, the baby is unborn it doesnt exactly have a "life" or any expierences, loved ones, having and developed a life, through interaction, and experience. its just a fetus in some women who wants to have it taken out.

Ii voted "I don't think it affects me so I let others decide" because it doesnt affect me whenther an unborn baby dies. The world is over populated as it is...

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I also want to add, if it is affecting the mother in a negative way, as if it were threatening to them mothers life or something, the baby should most definately be aborted. Because the life of a mature women is defeniately more important than an unborn fetus.
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Old May 2nd, 2004, 11:34 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Putting religion aside, I think abortion is wrong. I basically agree with what everyone else has been saying about how it's wrong.

The only time that I think abortion is ok is if the mother's life is in danger. To me, not even rape is worth aborting the child. Abortion won't make the experience go away, and you will probably just feel worse afterwards. Just put the baby up for adoption.

Also, I believe fathers should have more of a role in abortion decisions. Right now, it's 100% up to the mother, despite the fact that half of that baby's genes are the fathers. Yes, the mother has to carry the child...But the father needs a say as well.

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hmmmm chris. I guess you can think.

anyway. It don't matter to me. It doesn't really affect me all that much. and I think people have the right to do what they want. some want to get abortions. so let them. there opinion is important too.....
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Also, I believe fathers should have more of a role in abortion decisions. Right now, it's 100% up to the mother, despite the fact that half of that baby's genes are the fathers. Yes, the mother has to carry the child...But the father needs a say as well.

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I completely agree with that last part "fathers should have more of a role in abortion decisions".

if the mother and father have the baby together, then i think its equally the father and the mothers decision.
on the other hand, if the women was raped, then it is all the womens decision
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jacob shut up!

dont just interupt a debate/ argument and call me a retard or a liar

i have an opinion, im gonna post whenever i GODDA** FEEL LIKE IT!

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Old May 2nd, 2004, 11:55 AM   #17 (permalink)
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yes, for rape victims
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I guess im for abortion. For the most part the mother usually didnt even want the baby, and id rather end it now than have some crack whore raise a child. Abortion is also a good idea when it comes to problems and complications that put the mother at risk, and like you said, rape victims. Instead of debating this for the next century, i think we should just leave it up to the mother. It s her baby and SHE should decide.
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The thing that I don't get is that in California, it is illegal to touch/kill bald eagle eggs, yet taking the 'life' of an unborn baby is perfectly fine.

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i believe it is the womens choice i am pro choice
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look at this. if you want me to delete it i will, but shouldnt that be considered murder?


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i dont think taht pic was necessary, delete it before you get in trouble
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"America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe v. Wade has deformed a great nation. The so-called right to abortion has pitted mothers against their children and women against men. It has sown violence and discord at the heart of the most intimate human relationships. It has aggravated the derogation of the father's role in an increasingly fatherless society. It has portrayed the greatest of gifts -- a child -- as a competitor, an intrusion, and an inconvenience. It has nominally accorded mothers unfettered dominion over the independent lives of their physically dependent sons and daughters"
And, in granting this unconscionable power, it has exposed many women to unjust and selfish demands from their husbands or other sexual partners. Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government. They are every human being's entitlement by virtue of his humanity. The right to life does not depend, and must not be declared to be contingent, on the pleasure of anyone else, not even a parent or a sovereign."

(Mother Theresa -- "Notable and Quotable," Wall Street Journal, 2/25/94, p. A14)

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i dont think taht pic was necessary, delete it before you get in trouble
i think it was, because i think people dont understand abortion
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