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Old September 16th, 2004, 01:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Push-up questions

Thanks to this goddamn hurricane, I'm basically trapped inside. I tried screwing around outside, but got hit in the face by a rock from the wind, so I'm back inside.

Anyways, I'm just doing a bunch of pushups, because my triceps suck as of now, and I got a few questions.

-What are the purpose of "knuckle-ups?" I'm supposed to do them for karate, but they seem to do nothing but hurt my joints.
-What muscles does fingers-together pushups do? (You position your hands to where the fingers point towards each other.)
-How can I build some fast-twitch (or whatever) muscles?
- And anymore advice.

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Old September 16th, 2004, 01:11 PM   #2 (permalink)
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knuckle pushups=pointless.

to build up your triceps...keep your arms/hands close into your body, and your elbows should be touching or right next to your ribs....go down and up SLOWLY...it doesnt matter HOWMANY you do, it matters HOW WELL you do them. so take your time, and do them slow.

so what if you can only do 8-12. take a 60-90second break, then go at it again. repeat for 4-5 sets, doing as many as you can each time.

then go to wide pushups. same thing, go slow. its up to you to keep good form. no igloo backs or anything. you have ot be your own referee here, keep good form and soon youll be doing more than you can now, and in 6-9 weeks youll see definitive muscle enhancement.

go to bodybuilding.com to see lots of good workouts and they have plenty of routines you can do if you have no free weights or machines.
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Old September 16th, 2004, 01:23 PM   #3 (permalink)
 
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Knuckle ups do have a purpose. They make your knuckles harder and increase your resistance to pain in them. The more a bone is abused the harder it will rebuild itself. it will also grow. Punching **** also works but people usually dont like doing that because it hurts more. Pushups work out your chest too. Like dhill said what counts are well done pushups. Theres only so much u can do at home tho. Look online for home work outs. There are things that target specific muscles. Dont overwork just one muscle as you need to give it time to heal. Usually u should do specific muscles every other day. So do arms chest back one day and abs thighs calves another. Your body will need protein so eat meats.
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Old September 16th, 2004, 01:25 PM   #4 (permalink)
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keep your arms/hands close into your body then go to wide pushups.
O lord after awhile it is hard to do diamond and widespread push-ups.
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Old September 16th, 2004, 03:59 PM   #5 (permalink)
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[QUOTE='[^_^x]']Knuckle ups do have a purpose. They make your knuckles harder and increase your resistance to pain in them. The more a bone is abused the harder it will rebuild itself. it will also grow. Punching **** also works but people usually dont like doing that because it hurts more.QUOTE]


thats a load of bs. the only thing you accomplish with knuckle pushups is tendonitis, bone wear, pain, and joint wear(leads to arthritis). the more a bone is abused the worse off you will be. bones arent muscles, they dont needs continual stimulation and abuse. muscles are what you need to shock and abuse.

learn the facts....and dont do knuckle pushups, they dont provide any extra benefits that normal ones do...and are actually worse for you
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Old September 16th, 2004, 07:47 PM   #6 (permalink)
 
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Old September 16th, 2004, 08:36 PM   #7 (permalink)
 
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my mom was thinking about getting the bowflex thing for me to use and what not and i was wondering if that was any good.
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Old September 16th, 2004, 08:41 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Bowflexes are nice becuase changing weights is faster. Also much better becuase you don't have a bar to restrict your arms, its a cord. AS the commercial says "It helps build those stabalyzer(spwtfbbq) muscles. I've got one in the garage.
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i hope we get one soon, because i would really like to get it to help loose some weight and get more muscle
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Old September 16th, 2004, 08:42 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I need to gain weight. I work out a lot, but I don't have much mass to work with. I've got tone and all, but not much mass.
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Old September 16th, 2004, 08:43 PM   #11 (permalink)
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instead of a bowflex youd be better off getting a dumbbell set that goes up to 70lbs or so...or the changeable ones that you can add weight...and get an adjustable bench.

with that you can do so much more and much better exercises than with any cable machine(such as a bowflex)
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my dad already has one of those but its in his garage, but i think if my mom got a bowflex since i usually live wiht her i would use it more. i dont really care for weight benches
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free dumbbells are better than any weight machine.

its a known and proven fact.
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Old September 16th, 2004, 09:18 PM   #14 (permalink)
 
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knuckled ups DO have a purpose. he said he needs to do them for karate... you know why? make a fist and you'll most likely see that your knuckles dont all stick out the same length. This means if you are punching someone or something then all of the force will be exerted on that one knuckle or knuckles. Doing knuckle ups helps to allign all of your knuckles so that there is equal force exerted throughout your entire fist, hence, leading to a stronger blow. This is why you will see many karate experts have alligned knuckles on their fist and why they view this as being important. Physical benifits of knuckle ups- none really. karate benefits - read above
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ya that makes sense
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Old September 16th, 2004, 09:23 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Knuckle push ups do not have the benefit of improving your knuckle strength or whatever that genius was claiming. However, they are beneficial for those of us with limited range of motion in the wrist due to past fractures. It's very uncomfortable for me to do any more than 25-30 push ups with my wrists bent completely back, so I often do knuckle push ups. The technique described above for isolating the triceps was accurate, the wider grip that was described is for developing the pecs, not that you stated otherwise dhill, you didn't state what its purpose was at all. Niether one will completely isolate any muscle group as a pushup is a complex movement involving multiple joints, however you can focus more on one muscle group than another. If you really want to isolate your triceps I would recommend doing dips. Get 2 chairs facing each other, put your feet on one and your hands on the other. Lower yourself down until your elbows are at approximately a 90 degree angle then straighten them again. You can put weights in your lap to make it more difficult in order to build more muscle mass etc. etc. It's a good idea not to only work your triceps though, as you may become muscle bound. You need to also develop the antagonist of the triceps, the biceps. Assuming you don't have any conventional resistance training equipment available, one of the best ways to develop the biceps is underhand grip chin ups. Grip the bar with your palms facing your face and pull yourself up.
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Old September 17th, 2004, 01:36 AM   #17 (permalink)
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I have a friend who has compound fractured his wrist twice and now has a plate and screws in there.. its IMPOSSIBLE for him to get his wrist bent back that way. He does knuckle pushups but only for that reason...
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Thanks, everyone, for the replies. Unfortunately, my power went out, so I didn't get to see any of them during the storm. I still do pushups, so it's all good.
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i say just get a sturdy bench and some weights at a yardsale for 20 bucks

dont get a bowflex. i can bench almost 200 now, and at the store demo i got the bowflex to 250. that means it either wears out fast or it sucks to begin with. as dhill said, you can do a LOT more with free weights than you will ever be able to do with cables, so dont fall for the hype. remember, commercials are usually a bit biased in what they say about the machines, cause theyre trying to sell you something. ask anyone whos been working out for atleast a few months and theyll tell you freeweights are much better
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If you really want to feel it, when you do the wide handed ones, but your hands up on books and make sure your chest touches the floor. That'll really make ya feel it.
you can also elevate your feet, so more bodily weight gets thrown on your front end. you should be able to gain a lot just by raising your feet up more and more to increase resistance, cause if you think about it, pushups doing a hand stand require mad muscle and a handstand is still considered elevated feet
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I've never liked Dips... they feel wrong. I have my arms behind my back, and I feel a whole lot of pressure in the shoulder area. I must be doing it wrong. I think I'm gonna get two chairs and use them on either side of me, instead of a bench behind me like is recommended...?
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if youre just starting dont expect to be able to do more than one or two dips, cause until you work them, triceps really arent that strong. thanks to a workout program my triceps are now just about as strong as my biceps, so i can do a lotta dips, but that all comes in time

just remember, if you work one muscle, work the opposite one too so you dont go all lopsided (you really can be disfigured if one muscle totally overpowers to other) i dont care if you only want triceps and pecs, you really should consider doing traps and shoulders (which when worked, simply make you look huge) and biceps and forearms, which are necessarry to complete the pipes





hey dhill, how big's your beachball?
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hey dhill, how big's your beachball?
And which way did it go?

I can do a a good bit of dips... I've been working out on and off since this summer when I first asked for advice on how to get in shape. Just, back in the summer, I had access to a gym, which I don't anymore. Now I have to improvise until I can afford a good weight-set.

Dips feel wrong to me. They hurt my shoulder/neck muscles when I'm on the low point. It's not work-out pain.. it's hurt-pain. It's hurts right behind neck just a bit to both sides. It even hurts when I'm just going through the motions, not actually doing a dip. Could scoliosis have anything to do with this? Even when I had access to dip-bars, it hurt. I must be doing it wrong.
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yea i know what you mean- i used to get that pain in my wrists doing wrist curls. its just because your joints arent used to being abused like that, so they kinda grind at eachother and stuff. just give it a week or two and make sure your form is good, and your joints will add some cushioning and get used to it

-edit- to add to what i said...

when you start working out, you have some muscles that are a lot more developed than others, depending on your lifestyle and what gets used. when i first started benching my pecs didnt even feel any pain at all, and my triceps were killing me for the next three days. infact, when i started benching lik 2 or 3 months ago, my max bench was like 150. now that my triceps have caught up i actually feel a burn in my chest with my max going up to 200
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First of all, pain shouldn't be ignored, its your body telling you something is wrong. Don't just fight through so that two weeks late it doesn't hurt anymore, because its still bad, but your body has learned to ignore it, pain is a warning and if you ignore it, (to a certain extent) your body fails to identify it as a warning.

Secondly, most people's triceps are stronger than their biceps, by virtue of the fact that the triceps has 3 seperate heads (ie TRIceps) and the biceps only have two (BIceps). Heads are like the body of the muscle, they connect to the bones via tendons at different places and are thus used in very slightly different motions.

If you are having problems with dips, it very well could be your scoliosis, you should probably avoid doing any more dips until you find out. As an alternative you could just find a pretty heavy book, tie a rope around it and use it as a dumb bell. Raise your arm above your head and lower the book down behind your head until your elbow is past a 90 degree angle then straighten your arm over your head, repeat 8-12 times 3-4 sets 3 times a week. Poor man's arm extension exercise. You can also do curls like this, but I find the book uncomfortable in both cases. I prefer push ups and chin ups to work my triceps and biceps.
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