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Old November 2nd, 2004, 07:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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came pretty close to getting killed today...

as some of u may or may not know...im currently working towards my private pilots liscence...and today was one of the most eventful flights yet.

I showed up at the airport a lil early to check out weather reports and the METARs to make sure it was ok to fly....but it wasnt looking good. Cloud cieling was at 1,400 feet and scatered clouds were at 1,000 feet. and to top it off...raining. however the flight instructor said it was ok to go up in it (he had 2 other flights that day) and i thought it would be a good expereince to fly in the bad weather with a instructor.

We got up and the hardest part at first was flying with the front window fogged up. Not bad tho cuz i was simply flying by instruments (known as IFR [instrument flight rules]) But after 10 min. the window go unfogged. we did some ground manuvers then landed at another airport and headed back...this is where it started getting hairy.

We ended up flying to the airport using VORs (nav aids) because the visibility was down to 5 miles....which may seem like a long way but when your flying its pretty bad....heres a example... 3 miles of visibility in a plane is like the equivilent of driving a car in extremely dense fog.

Anyways we get around 5 miles of the airport and i start to barley see the beacon...so we found the airport..however a few seconds later we flight right into a cloud and cant see anything. No problem though...ive been trained to fly by instruments and it wasnt bad at all...after a minute we poped out of the clouds and were right infront of the airport. Only problem is the scattered cloud layer moved down to around 300 feet....which is extremely low.

The instructor takes control of the plane cuz he knew we have to put the plane down quickly before the clouds cover the airport up and we cant land due to limited visibility. so he takes some pretty aggressive manuvers to get into the pattern and line up with the runway. He turns base and the we are starting to get lined up for the runway when we go flying into a cloud again...however this time we are in a 45 degree bank (the most the plane is supposed to do is a 45 degree bank)...well the intructor does not have any instruments infront of him...I do...so he is trying to fly visually..which is basicly impossible. When u do not have a visual of the ground it is extremely easy to get virtigo...and you can actually easily roll the plane over and put it into a dive...however think your flying straight and level.

we are in the cloud for about 5 second then I glance over at the instruments and notice the plane is goin into a very weird attitude. the atitude indicator is showing the plane is in a 70 degree bank to the right...the wings are almost perpendicular to the ground....i look at the rate of climb indicator...we are in a 1000 feet per minute dive and increassing...and the alitidude indicator is saying we are 350 feet above the ground.

I annouce to the instructor that we are in a dive and i emidiatly level the wings and pull up hard to level the plane...we pull out at a lil less then 300 feet and a few seconds later pop out of the cloud.

if we would have been in that dive for about 5 more seconds we would have hit the groudn going 110 knots (120 mph)....

we foudn the other end of the runway clear of clouds so we quickly flew over there and put the plane on the runway...

i got a first hand expereince of how disorented u can get when flying in non visual conditions. %80 of all fatal general aviation crashes happen in non optimal weather conditions...one of these crashes being the Kennedy that crashed his twin engine plane off the cost of cape cod. just wat happend today...he got disoriented and put his plane into a dive that eventually hit the water.

just thought i would share my very eventfull day with you guys.

heres a pic of the plane...
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Old November 2nd, 2004, 07:32 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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Cool?

Edit- Sorry, its just from your description it didnt sound very exciting
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Old November 2nd, 2004, 07:34 PM   #3 (permalink)
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thats some prety intense stuff./
preferbly id rather learn to fly a helicopter ive heard they are much harder than a plane so yea.
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Old November 2nd, 2004, 07:39 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Jeeze dude, that's friggin' scary. I wouldn't go back to aviation if that happend to me.
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Old November 2nd, 2004, 07:40 PM   #5 (permalink)
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this is almost as exciting as the im never going near a cave again thread
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Old November 2nd, 2004, 07:44 PM   #6 (permalink)
 
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Edit- Sorry, its just from your description it didnt sound very exciting
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preferbly id rather learn to fly a helicopter ive heard they are much harder than a plane so yea.
all depends...i got a scholorship for 2 helicopter lessons and hovering actually wasnt that hard on a calm day...it requires constant control input but its very doable. However on a windy day it will be much harder...but so is landing a plane in gusty winds...but think about costs lol...helicopters are so much more money to rent.

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Jeeze dude, that's friggin' scary. I wouldn't go back to aviation if that happend to me.
ya...well i want to go into tha air force and become a fighter pilot...watned to do that for as long as i can remeber...so having this is more of a learning expereince and a close call then something that would scare the **** out of me lol....

ive told the story to some of my friends and they are like...holy **** i would be sstill scared ****less right now...and i just kinda sit back and think about it...and im more saying to myself "lol that was a close one" then actually scared about it...

i guess thats a good thing tho cuz im sure i will have some more near death expereinces when flying in the air force.
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Old November 2nd, 2004, 07:44 PM   #7 (permalink)
 
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is that the pic of today?? Cuz it looks pretty clear to me, or is it just a pic of the plane. Either way thats scary as heck. I hate flying in airplanes
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Old November 2nd, 2004, 07:46 PM   #8 (permalink)
 
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naw the pic was taken the day i soloed (flew by myself)....u can see from the date on the pic.
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Old November 2nd, 2004, 07:47 PM   #9 (permalink)
 
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...thats all i have to say...
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Old November 2nd, 2004, 07:49 PM   #10 (permalink)
 
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It actually is pretty exciting. Man one time I had to go from South Africa to Atlanta, then Atlanta to Texas. When we went on the Atlanta plane to Texas, one of the engines ran out of fuel. We barely had enough to make it back to the airport. It was so scary.
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Old November 2nd, 2004, 07:50 PM   #11 (permalink)
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YEp. Spatial orientation at night is how Kennedy died when his plane crashed. How long does it take to learn to fly and get licensed? How many hours you need solo/ w/instructor?
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Old November 2nd, 2004, 07:54 PM   #12 (permalink)
 
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that blows. being an aviation buff i have respect for what you are talking about
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Old November 2nd, 2004, 07:59 PM   #13 (permalink)
 
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YEp. Spatial orientation at night is how Kennedy died when his plane crashed. How long does it take to learn to fly and get licensed? How many hours you need solo/ w/instructor?
exactly...

u need 40 hours to get ur liscence...however there are sepearte horus u need...like 3 night...3 (i think) instrument...but most people dont get it untill around 50 hours.

there is no set hours to need before u solo...its whenever ur ready...average pilots solo around 25 hours...mayb 30....i did it in 12 hours

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Old November 2nd, 2004, 10:06 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Old November 3rd, 2004, 02:41 PM   #15 (permalink)
 
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do you need your instrument rating to get your private liscense?
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Old November 3rd, 2004, 03:03 PM   #16 (permalink)
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From books and an aerospace science class, I know all about flying. I know all about the physics of flight, and I know why/when to adjust for flaps/slats spoilers if its not automatic. Just don't know HOW. I always wanted to be a fighter pilot in the corps when I was little, but it doesn't look like I will. Not becommign an officer.

Always had a passion for flying.
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no u do not...a private pilots liscence and a instrument rating are 2 seperate things. To get your private pilots liscence...u will need 3 hours of instrument training. Which is basicly simple flying straight and level by instruments...turns...stalls..unusual attitudes (instructor puts the plane into a extreme climb/dive and u must recover)...simple manuvers like that. When u do get ur private pilots liscence however u are not trained enough to voluntarily fly into limited visibility weather...the training is just meant to be used if you find yourself in a cloud or unexpected fog and you need to find your way out (do a 180 degree turn to fly back out).

however after u get ur private piltos liscence u can get your instrument rating...which trains you stricly on instruments. After you get this rating...u will be able to fly in bad weather. Not only fly but land and take off. At certain airports they have ILS equipment (instrument landing system) which will let you land/take off by stricly instruments. When flying into these airports...u can land in all the way down to 1/4 mile visiblity...which would mean when u touch down u can only see 1/4 of the runway ahead of u...which when talkin about flying that is extremely low visibility.

You do not have to have your instrument rating...however it is a VERY good thing to have. You wont then need to worry as much about bad weather because you have been extensivly trained to fly in that kind of weather.
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Old November 3rd, 2004, 03:09 PM   #18 (permalink)
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My Aerospace science instructor flew F4's in Vietnam and F16's. HE has over 30 years of flying. He tells me that if you ever learn anything, learn to ignore what you see adn trust your instruments.
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Old November 3rd, 2004, 03:33 PM   #19 (permalink)
 
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Gald you squeeked out of that one! Hopefully your instructure will show a little more restrain next time and not fly on days that the weather is closing in so quickly. Those deadman spirals can be a b**ch. For guys who hadn't heard about them before, it when you go into a banked spiral and ignor the instruments. The problem is that in a small co-ordinated bank you are pushed straight down in the chair just like gravity normally does. In some cases people ignore the instruments because they think theycan trust their own body sensations. You often see new pilots get the leans, where they sit at an angle when flying level because they think gravity is at a different angle.

I've only got about 5-6 hours of fight time in so far.... I'm doing it the wrong way, real sporadic, 1/2 here and there thanks to the lack of money. It's certainly a blast! For your first solo did the instructor cut your shirttail off? That's usually a ritual that old school pilots do to the youngbloods.

If anyone is interested in flying, usually it's as simple as going to your local airport and asking around for an instructor. The pilot will usually do the walkaround/checklist and take off and then give you control of the plane to get the feel for it on the very first flight. The prices vary greatly going anywhere from free-$50 for the first flight but it's worth every penny.

Good luck flatliner, and let us know when you get certified!
Have you figured out what you're going to fly once you get your license? That issue is a big part of me stalling. Renting/buying a plane is so damn expensive!
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Old November 3rd, 2004, 04:56 PM   #20 (permalink)
 
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ya...thats one thing for sure...im always gonna trust the instruments.

Its almost impossible to do that java man lol....its gonan take u forever to solo. People actually learn alot better if u fly more often...like twice a week. When i soloed they poured water on me video taped the last of 3 take off and landings...it was pretty cool wat they did...they video edited it and everything.

Ya learning to fly is extremely expensive. for a hour its around $100. I do my lessons at about 1.2-1.4 hours each time...so im lookin at $122 per lesson.

since im only 16 i wont get my liscence untill i at least turn 17...which will be turn july 30th next year....however by that time i should have racked up all my hours and be ready to take the checkride. So by then i should get my liscence!

and since i am going to be 17 and ready to go to college im just gonna rent planes when i fly. It will also give me a chance to see different planes and try them...then i go off to college at embry riddle aeronoticle univisitey and get just about every certificate there is lol...and join the airforce.

Im happy though to start flyign so early...get a huge jump opposed to the other flight students that will be in my class in a few years and its fun as hell...not to mention how i can pick up some chicks with the "you kno i can fly a airplane" line
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Awww thats scary. Reminds me when our plane caught on fire in mexico and we lost engine power for a bit. LoL
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Its almost impossible to do that java man lol....its gonan take u forever to solo. People actually learn alot better if u fly more often...like twice a week.
Ain't that the truth! Our local airport rents out blocks of plane time for cheaper then it is to rent for individual hours. Last time I checked it was around $75 an hour for a Cessna trainer in addition to $15 or so for an instructor. I'm going to wait till I can slap down the whole thing (50-60 hours) of rental time before I start back again. Have you checked out the experimental airplane community yet? The EAA is a good place to get started if you are thinking about building a plane. That's probably the route I'm going to take later on. You can build a kickass plane for around $30,000 which will easily outperform any manufactured plane for 4X the price. (190+MPH, range of 800-900 miles) The best thing about homebuilding is that you can do the annual inspections yourself saving loads of money. The one I've been eyeballing is the RV9...

One big disadvantage is that you really need to have a lot of time (around 2 years!) to put it together. Since you're going off to college you likely wouldn't have time but there's an AWESOME site called RVProject.com where a guy builds and logs with pics the entire plane from opening the crates to current day flying.
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my next door neighbor his a pilot...along with his dad who lives about 10 min. away. Him and his dad built a kit plane and i basicly saw them put the hole thign together over a year. Pretty interesting. like u said...a hell of alot cheaper.

The cessna 172 at my airport rents at 72 an hour...and the plane i fly piper warrior 2 rents at 77 a hour. So ya...very expensive lol.

If ya got the time do the kit plane thing....that would be the way to go in my opinion...however i suggest getting a glass cocpit even if it costs a couple grand lol...ive flown in one and omg...its 20 times better then standard instruments....u will also then get a heck of alot better resale value for the plane in the future.
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