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Old December 7th, 2004, 10:12 AM   #1 (permalink)
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A date that will live in infamy...

It is December 7th. Pearl Harbor day. This is the September 11th of a past generation. I can remember my grandparents speaking of this as one of those days that the "world changed" in those hushed wispers reserved for topics of great importance. I can still see the far away look in my Uncle's eyes as he talks of WWII and his experiences in Japan because of the war.

It makes me reflect on what this country has endured to 'let freedom ring' and what it continues to endure to bring the message of Democracy and Freedom to the world. It makes me sad that there are those that would like nothing better then to destroy this great country, both past and present.

I ask that you take a moment and say a prayer in their honor, a prayer for peace, a prayer of hope, a prayer of thanks.



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Old December 7th, 2004, 11:09 AM   #2 (permalink)
 
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Old December 7th, 2004, 11:26 AM   #3 (permalink)
 
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at first when i saw the thread i thought u mean like a date date.

Sunday December 7th, 1941. ***. attack aircraft including dive bombers and fighters unleash their devestating firepower upon the US pacific fleet harbored at Pearl Harbor Hawaii. this one attack transforms the us from being on the sidelines of the war, to a nation that is bound and determined to use all of its industrial might and manpower to stop the powers of the axis from inevitably taking over the world. This is the day that truly started the second world war in the eyes of the US. I ask all of you to think back to the shock and horror of 9/11, as medic said, that is the closest we can come to understanding what it was like on that day so many years ago. there is only one difference, pearl harbor was even more devestating. rather than taking just the lives of the people attacked, and bringing down two buildings, these attacks consisting of two waves sunk or otherwise destroyed the vast majority of the united states naval power in the pacific. Remember those who died, many to the bombs and gunfire, but there were many more that suffered long and painful deaths, many of these men were trapped, running out of air in ships that had been sunk or overturned. Imagine how they felt and what they went through as they gave the ultimate sacrafice on that sunday morning. The japs. saw the attack of pearl harbor as a major strategic attack that could gain them control of the pacific. they underestimated the response that the american populus would have to the attack. this response proved to build america's morale and our determination to get revenge. Revenge we got.

Remember those who died, and the results of the events of this day.

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Old December 7th, 2004, 12:29 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Actually the Japanese would have succeeded if it weren't for our carriers not being located at Pearl Harbor that day. If we lost our Carries we would have been hurting big time. The majority of our military was located in Europe since we had an agreement with our Allies of “Germany First”. We were basically trying to hold the Japanese off with out pinky finger till Germany was defeated. After Germany's defeat, all efforts were focused on Japan. The rest is history.

Just for the heck of it, if you had any family members that were in the pacific theater, List them and what branch they were in.

- Grandfather Ed Hedemark - Navy (survived)
- Grandfather Harry Lobb – Navy (survived)
- Cousin – (Hedemark Marines ( Died on Bataan Death March after the surrender on Corregidor)
- Cousin (Hedemark) – Marines ( POW, survived, later died from lung cancer caused by Japanese Salt Mines)

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Old December 7th, 2004, 01:04 PM   #5 (permalink)
 
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- Cousin – (Hedemark Marines ( Died on Bataan Death March after the surrender on Corregidor)
I found a great book on that, although it focused more on the people who were left behind on the Bataan Peninsula after General King surrendered...Ghost Soldiers by Hampton Sides.
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Old December 7th, 2004, 02:30 PM   #6 (permalink)
 
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Actually the Japanese would have succeeded if it weren't for our carriers not being located at Pearl Harbor that day. If we lost our Carries we would have been hurting big time. The majority of our military was located in Europe since we had an agreement with our Allies of “Germany First”. We were basically trying to hold the Japanese off with out pinky finger till Germany was defeated. After Germany's defeat, all efforts were focused on Japan. The rest is history.
quoted for truth. i hate to say it but we had more than enough info to know this was coming or atleast expect it but the goverment didn't do enough. regardless though it is a day to honor those who died on that day and for those who fought back against the odds that day.

1 grandpa
2 uncles
all navy, all there for pearl harbor all survived

ps i bolded (?) that line becuase ther eis a cnspiracey as to why the carriers were out that day. don't get me into to it, but it is interesting. oh yeah tora tora is on history channle WATCH IT NOW!
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Old December 7th, 2004, 02:33 PM   #7 (permalink)
 
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headley, thats why i said most of our pacific fleet. their main target was our aircraft carrier's. thank god for bad intel. saved our asses and shortened the war in the pacific by a hella long time.
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Old December 7th, 2004, 09:12 PM   #8 (permalink)
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its sad that every year we seem to become more and more detatched from this day. people start forgetting about it, some people really dont even know about it. i think it needs to be more aware and widely remembered by all. and as the generation of that time passes us, we lose a lot from it. we lose actual experiences and wittness, of those who lived during that time. in a few more years, those who faught in the war will be few to none... we need to take responsibility and carry on the memories and stories of december 7th
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Old December 7th, 2004, 09:30 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Actually the Japanese would have succeeded if it weren't for our carriers not being located at Pearl Harbor that day.
This is true. Thankfully, the waters of Pearl Harbor were shallow, and a lot of our ships were salvageable. I cannot believe I have not heard anyone talk about it today around me, up untill this forum. Sadly, our veterans of this war are becomming fewer and fewer, and I still thank one when I see them. Whenever I talk to my grandpa, I thank him for what he did in WWII. The horror stories he has told me; I cannot succumb to the conditions and peril that he did face. Horrid, fighting in the countrysides that he can still recall vividly to this day. I haven't heard all of his war stories, but I cannot imagine what he faced in small towns. The dead piling up around him, hopeless conditions he seemed to face, but when our country was threatened, he did what he knew had to be done, even if if meant certain death. As our veterans enter eternal rest and peace from war, remember what they did, what they stood for, and what so many sacrificed so we may still be saluting the American Flag to this day. Do not forget, remember these days, so that they may not be a forgotten day in American History. Be thankful, be greatful, and be proud to be an American. Without them, Lady Liberty could have perished into the night, but to the brave souls that did not let our fate be sealed, we thank you.

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Old December 7th, 2004, 09:48 PM   #10 (permalink)
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you know what?

All I have to say is this.....

God bless all our military past and present......whether they they believe in what they are are fighting for (past or present) they deserve all our respect.


God bless and watch over them all........
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This is true. Thankfully, the waters of Pearl Harbor were shallow, and a lot of our ships were salvageable. I cannot believe I have not heard anyone talk about it today around me, up untill this forum. Sadly, our veterans of this war are becomming fewer and fewer, and I still thank one when I see them. Whenever I talk to my grandpa, I thank him for what he did in WWII. The horror stories he has told me; I cannot succumb to the conditions and peril that he did face. Horrid, fighting in the countrysides that he can still recall vividly to this day. I haven't heard all of his war stories, but I cannot imagine what he faced in small towns. The dead piling up around him, hopeless conditions he seemed to face, but when our country was threatened, he did what he knew had to be done, even if if meant certain death. As our veterans enter eternal rest and peace from war, remember what they did, what they stood for, and what so many sacrificed so we may still be saluting the American Flag to this day. Do not forget, remember these days, so that they may not be a forgotten day in American History. Be thankful, be greatful, and be proud to be an American. Without them, Lady Liberty could have perished into the night, but to the brave souls that did not let our fate be sealed, we thank you.

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Old December 7th, 2004, 09:51 PM   #12 (permalink)
 
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I must say, it's a terrible day in American history.

But, for the record: The Japanese had no intent of invading mainland US. They knew it was a losing battle. One of their admirals even said something to the extent of "You cannot invade mainland US, there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." They just wanted to damage us.
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Old December 7th, 2004, 11:15 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Thank them for their sacrafices.

Grandfather-Air Force (Survived)
Great Uncle-Navy, (Lost at sea)
Cousin-Army I think (Died as a result of ailments during war post-war)
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Old December 7th, 2004, 11:50 PM   #14 (permalink)
 
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my grampa's bday is December 7th, he was a kid during the attack
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