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Old January 11th, 2007, 01:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi all I would like to get some input on which one will be the most bang for the buck. I don't want to spend a ton of money upgrading to make the gun acccurate and with an easy pump which is a must. I do not have access to either gun to try out, so those who have experience with both please feel free to give a detail explaination of what are the pros and con of one gun versus the other.

tippman sl68 II can be had for about 80 bucks in mint condition this includes shipping. Phantom can be had for about 160 used in mint condition with maybe a barrel upgrade. "this does not include shipping charges" on ebay.

Here what I would like to know how accurate are these guns out of the box, they seem to be very accurate guns according to what I have read. I'm looking to shoot from about 75 ft away maybe a 100 ft. I don't think you can actually hit someone from a 150 ft away have have the ball go splat in the majority of instances. When I say accurate I'm talking about ball on ball sort of thing. durability, the tippmann seems very durable on the surface, but this is not a big deal for me because I can cast and mill body of both guns, I'm more concerned about internal parts. Ease of pumping, my only experience was with sheridan pump pistol, they were smooth, and easy to pump.

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Old January 11th, 2007, 02:38 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Wait for a phantom owner to wander by, but I'll talk about the SL68II.

Mint or not you'll probably want a new main spring, and if the seals have gone bad they'll need fixed too. Parts kits are available, and the spring is sold seperate if you look on tippmannparts.com.

The only parts I've seen break are the body. Reason for this is that the hopper and barrel are held on be friction fit- clamping them. The screws bend those areas of the body, and if they get abused or overtightened it'll crack. But if you can fix that, it won't matter really.

The internals are solid. There's not a way I can think of to break them doing anything close to normal paintball. Breaking them would probably involve heavy machinary and high explosives...or at least a hammer.

I'd say the pump stroke is lighter than that of my PGP, but it might just seem that way because the pump handle is so much bigger.
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Old January 11th, 2007, 05:44 PM   #3 (permalink)
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i'd say the phantom is a great buy. i've bought about $350 worth of other stuff for it, but its completely unnecessary. the phantom is great right out of the box. you also might want to consider if you want to play open class, or stock class.

phantom is durable, has a great stock barrel (doesn't need upgrading), pump stroke is fine. internals are simple and nothing ever breaks down. simple to take apart and care for.

i'm short on time, but i can answer any q's you might have later.
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Old January 11th, 2007, 06:00 PM   #4 (permalink)
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thank you for such a quick reply

There doesn't seem to be any home made mods for the tippmann are there for the phantoms? I would also like to know what about the body of the phantom what is it made out of and how thick is it? As far as the tippmann is concerned, would you say that it is an accurate gun out of the box or do you need a barrel upgrade. My take on accuracy is that some guns are inherently much more accurate than other guns everything being equal. My rationale is this, even if the paint match the barrel a pump gun would be much more accurate from what I've seen and shot. Trigger pull can throw accuracy off and recoil can do same, we must also count how the gas is being released from the gun and the hammer reacts. All these play a role in the paint path.
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Old January 11th, 2007, 07:46 PM   #5 (permalink)
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well, the phantom is extremely well made. the techs at my shop are always marveling at its quality. very lightweight, but extremely durable. as far as recoil goes, it don't matter with a pump at all because you have to pump after every shot anyway....so that's gonna force you to take your gun down and pump it. much more movement from that than from recoil. as far as trigger pull. its nice and smooth. just make sure to get a trigger shoe. as far as homemade mods go, there aren't many really. i just cut down the size of my feed tube a bit with a dremmel. you can also dye the clear parts a certain color. grips and stuff can be changed...its just a basic 45 frame. phantom is the most versatile. you can run an HPA bottle, 12 grams, or a 3.5 oz CO2 tank on it. you can use a 15 round horizontal feed, or a 40-50 round hopper. changing the phantom's setup is easy and doesn't take a lot of work or time. you can also buy stocks for the phantom (there are several styles), if you feel they will help you (accuracy and such).

i don't know much about the tippys, but i do know that they are solid guns. neither gun will let you down, although the phantom is higher quality (which is why it costs more), the customer service is the best in the business (CCI is a one man operation. if something goes wrong, you can speak directly to Mike, the owner), and the overall resale value is much higher. it's a matter of preference. if you want to use a hopper and tank, buy the tippy. but if you want to give stock class (15 rnd tube and 12 grams) a try, go with the phantom.
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Old January 11th, 2007, 08:19 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I read a review of phantoms that each time you pump the gun it feels like a twig and its about to break. These are not my words but someone elses any truth in that? How is the accuracy of a phantom are they capable of hitting a beer can 150 ft out of the box on a regular basis? What do you feel is the max for the phantom? How is the accuracy of the tippy compared to a phantom?
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i have no idea about the beer can. really, it's not that important. it's accurate. i can guarantee it. i dont know how it compares to the tippy. about it feeling like its gonna snap. false. completely. its sturdy. sure, its extremely light, but thats a good thing. just get a stock or a something. the lightness will allow you to run, move about, switch hands, etc. much easier. there are no, i repeat, no flaws or cons that i can see in the phantom. if you buy one, you will be happy. the only reason you won't like it is if you dont enjoy stock class, which some people don't. let me refer you to a forum: The PHOG - powered by vBulletin. people here know all about phantoms.
StockClassPaintball Forum, this is a forum for pump players, so they can tell you about the tippy, as well as other pumps.
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thanks so much smaller than life (eom)
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no problem. i hope you enjoy playing pump.
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