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Old July 16th, 2007, 12:40 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Tippman A-5 w/ Flatline Barrel vs Ion

Scenario: I'm up at the frontline and find a clear target with half his body exposed behind a bunker. I point aim and fire a good 20 shots (distance is not at absurd range, we're playing speedball) he notices it (finally) turns and shoots me once in the face plate.
Besides it being a good laugh, it's frusterating.

I'm a Beginner/Intermediate player who doesn't know much about repairing very complicated paint guns looking to upgrade from my $50.00 spyder p.o.s.

With the price range I'm looking at, these two guns seem to stand out to me because the tippman a-5 sounds like it has a great effective range and accuracy with the flatline barrel and because the ion seems to overall be the popular gun right now.
I'm not so interested in shooting many bps as much as I am interested in having a high effective accuracy even at long ranges.
I would like it to be fairly reliable and if possible to be a little "quieter" than the loud "pah pah pah" my spyder makes when I shoot. We're talking one of those guns you hear from the parking lot.
I've read about all these upgrades and it doesn't seem to add to performance much in my opinion however I may be wrong. The only upgrade that looked good to me is the Flatline barrel for the A-5.
My only concern is that this Flatline will increase my feet per second (fps) over the 275 my paint ball park enforces.


I like to play both woodsball and speedball evenly and tend to be an aggressive player rather than to sit in the back wasting my rounds I am often seen trying to sneak up on bunkers held by the opposing team. At the same time, I find myself rather frustrated when my accuracy falls short in woodsball.

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Old July 16th, 2007, 04:19 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Hmmm, sounds like even though you like to sneak up on people a fast marker would be good in case you are seen an need to put down some suppressive fire. I would recommend the A5 because it is a perfect base platform for either woodsball or speedball. An e-grip would be perfect for it.
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Old July 16th, 2007, 04:31 PM   #3 (permalink)
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what is so good about an egrip?
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Old July 16th, 2007, 05:39 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Trigger pull will be lighter(I think) and you will have full auto capabilities. I also suggest a double finger trigger.
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Old August 1st, 2007, 12:00 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Well, I play with a Tippmann BT-4 combat, and I actually shoot faster with the single trigger, than the double.
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Old August 1st, 2007, 12:46 PM   #6 (permalink)
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The Ion is a nice choice, perform better than an A-5 and is quieter, but it's more complicated to use, fix and maintain.

The A-5 feels very solid, doesn't need electro hopper and HPA (which means will be cheaper), is really easy to use, fix and maintain, but is louder. My brother have one, and it's louder than my old spyder TL-X, but I really don't think that's a big issue...

So both are great choices, sure you'll be able to fix your Ion alone when you'll get used with it, but if your doing only woodsball, I strongly suggest you to go with an A-5, with or without the flatline. It feels very solid, so you'll never be afraid of breaking it, and it's really easy to maintain.

BTW the flatline doesn't raise up balls speeds. The velocity has to be adjust right on spot. If velocity is to high, balls will fly to high... A flatline with the velocity will allow the ball to travel farther, but not quicker.
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Old September 18th, 2007, 09:31 PM   #7 (permalink)
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i just sold my tippmann a5 and got an ion so ill c how i like it
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Old September 24th, 2007, 03:54 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Tippmanns are no doubt a great choice if you want a reliable marker. Tippmanns are known for their durability and reliability. These qualities are what makes tippmann one of the, if not the, leading paintball manufacturer. If you want a marker more suitable for speedball but still be a great choice for woodsball go with an ion. Ions are more work to maintain and aren't as durable as a tippmann. Although ions are very durable if maintained. If you keep up on that i believe the ion would be a better choice. An ion is also more efficent due to its spool valve design versus a Tippmann's blow-back design.

P.S. If you decide on an A-5 let me tell you flatlines are a waste of money. They work as far as adding a little extra distance but greatly decreases velocity. Use the $100 it will cost for the flatline and get a high end barrel. You will be much more satisfied with a high end barrel than you will with a flatline.
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Old November 23rd, 2007, 08:22 PM   #9 (permalink)
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the tippmann with egrip is illegal in a lot of places and the double trigger will compleatly mess up the egrip i would recomend somthing like a dm5 because the are very accuarte and are actually not very expensive.
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the tippmann with egrip is illegal in a lot of places and the double trigger will compleatly mess up the egrip i would recomend somthing like a dm5 because the are very accuarte and are actually not very expensive.
generally when some one asks for a comparison of two basic level markers they don't want you to throw in a completely different one. Try instead to offer a reason as to why then a cost reference to hey you get your dm5 then you will need this this and this....Basic paintball concepts are not grasped by all members so not spelling somethings out will leave people lost.
I would suggest the ion. They shoot quite well. But remember you will need to look into your air source check several forums down in the air systems or in the new player or marker specific chat to discuss what others find works best. Remember not to base your decision completely off folks in here. Read around the net and on this site to find out alot more about what you are getting into.
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Go for an Ion, they have just as much accuracy as an A-5 but have better fire-power for wood-ball and speed-ball!
Ions are also easy to take care of compared to all those other speed-ball guns, 'cause they have simple three part bolt with no weird springs just a couple of O-rings!
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I own 2 A-5's one E-grip double trigger and one stock grip. I have never had any problems with my E-grip w/ double trigger. The E-grip does have a nice feel to it. The field I play at has Ion rentals that I have used (Ion's were new when I used them, and are well maintained). The main thing to consider with the Ion is the paint. Compared to the A-5 shooting any paint with few breaks, the Ion likes higher quality paint. With either marker the better the paint the better the accuracy. As for the Flatline, I recommend starting with a J&J, and see if you like the results, then see if you still want a Flatline
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Bt-erc with rip clip and apex, BT4-ironhorse with big shot apex, or Alph Black with J&J or Apex one of these three
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Old May 15th, 2008, 05:28 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Old June 9th, 2008, 07:50 PM   #16 (permalink)
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*o and one thing i forgot, the apex barrel is the same as the flatline, wont break way out there)*
I beg to differ about the fact that apex's don't break. On the super flatline setting yes it wont break no matter what but on the 5 or 6 setting it worked pretty well and wasn't that bad. Overall it adds some distance and preformed well but it didn't WOW me, pretty cool and a nice buy if you have bucks to spend.

OK! I think neither. Ion is a nice buy but i think i kinda lend towards the vs2 alittle more if your expecting to get a N2 tank. But if not then i would would agree with trbo and get a vs1 and a nice barrel and you'll be good, oh and a feedneck too, lol.
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the 98 custom has a better flatline barrel (from what i've heard and seen); i have a friend who has a 98c with flatline and his brother with an A-5 w/ Flatline; the A5 goes a little farther but is incredibly inaccurate compared to the 98 flatline; i see that you play both speed and woods, so i would go towards a vs1 or vs2
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the 98 custom has a better flatline barrel (from what i've heard and seen); i have a friend who has a 98c with flatline and his brother with an A-5 w/ Flatline; the A5 goes a little farther but is incredibly inaccurate compared to the 98 flatline;

please do not say that the a-5 flatlines are inaccurate. ive seen a-5 flattys that were horribly innaccurat and ones that shot perfect. some people take the time to sit and tune their guns velocity with the flatline. you can tell who has and hasnt tuned their flatline barrel.
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Old June 10th, 2008, 12:07 PM   #19 (permalink)
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please do not say that the a-5 flatlines are inaccurate. ive seen a-5 flattys that were horribly innaccurat and ones that shot perfect. some people take the time to sit and tune their guns velocity with the flatline. you can tell who has and hasnt tuned their flatline barrel.
i'm just stating my opinion from what i've seen and these people i know do tune theirs
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o my gosh, ok the flatline and the apex are a joke, they do nothing but add weight to the front of your marker and make it very loud, they give you no distinct advantage over any decent barrel out there that will shoot straight. they are mostly a marketing gimic that is aimed at players who want to stay in the back because they are scared of getting hit.

When you have a tippy or any other slow gun and are shooting 7 bps it's nice to have some distance advantage over people who are shooting 15+ bps. It is sometimes inaccurate but it does add distance, and with right paint it will break. And theres nothing wrong with players wanting to stay in the back, or for woodsball at least. The only thing i like about apex's over flatlines is that when your in VERY wooded areas you can turn it off.
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When you have a tippy or any other slow gun and are shooting 7 bps it's nice to have some distance advantage over people who are shooting 15+ bps. It is sometimes inaccurate but it does add distance, and with right paint it will break. And theres nothing wrong with players wanting to stay in the back, or for woodsball at least. The only thing i like about apex's over flatlines is that when your in VERY wooded areas you can turn it off.
i'm sorry dbone but can i say, full auto tippmann mod in the tippmann section of this forum? 26 bps with a regular spring; and btw mangus' gun pwns yours ; he can full auto with his r/t, so no tippmanns aren't slow guns, stock tippmanns are
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Old June 11th, 2008, 04:32 PM   #22 (permalink)
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i'm sorry dbone but can i say, full auto tippmann mod in the tippmann section of this forum? 26 bps with a regular spring; and btw mangus' gun pwns yours ; he can full auto with his r/t, so no tippmanns aren't slow guns, stock tippmanns are
True, he can go full auto, but anything over 15 is going to chop like crazy and with a flatline, barrel break too. i want to see a tippmann work at least OK going 27 bps lol, and yes speed wise does pwn mine. BUT most of the people you see playing use tippys without etriggers or r/t, while using the flatline atleast.
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The flatline effect doesn't make things more accurate but because of the backspin it isn't as bad, I worked with it pretty well(apex i mean)and I was able to hit people from distances where they couldn't hit me, but the catch was that they have to not be moving, or move at a walking speed. But as for Tippys being rough on paint idk, i dont use them.
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The Tippman Alpha Black is an awesome gun. It shoots well, the highest speed at around 350 feet per second. You can also upgrade it to an M-16 and also can add awesome hoppers, red-dot scopes, and a lot more. Go to U.S. Army Paintball: Play Smart - Play Strong you should check it out
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I've found my Tippmann A5/RT and flatline combination to be very effective.

My editorial:
- I always use high quality paint matched with a nicely tuned setup (275-280fps, reasonable trigger speed setting), so I do not experience shredded paint issues.
- I'm not a girl (or built like one), so the weight of the A5 equipped with a flatline barrel isn't a problem -- btw, no offense to girls.
- I tend to play close enough to ensure breaks (no bounces) -- get to the outer range of any marker's distance and your paint won't break.
- When I do experience minor problems (o-ring issues, etc.) , my Tippmann is very easy to fix.
- I would suggest rolling w/ Nitro instead of CO2 if you are playing in cold weather.

Anyhow, I like my set-up a lot and wouldn't trade it for anything else available (at the moment).
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I'm a Beginner/Intermediate player who doesn't know much about repairing very complicated paint guns looking to upgrade from my $50.00 spyder p.o.s.

I like to play both woodsball and speedball evenly and tend to be an aggressive player rather than to sit in the back wasting my rounds I am often seen trying to sneak up on bunkers held by the opposing team.

just because of that, i would say A5 but... if you like to play both woodsball and speedball, Tippmann 98 might be better since... it is much lighter...
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