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Old April 25th, 2013, 10:24 AM   #1 (permalink)
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OK D-Day 2013 Full Auto Shoot

The CEF will be hosting a military style full auto gun shoot at OK D-Day 2013 on Wednesday, June 12 and is open to everyone attending OK D-Day 2013.

It will start at about 9:30 AM and will end at about 2:30 PM. You do not have to be there for the entire time. The convoy to the range will leave the Commonwealth compound at 9:00 AM, so don't be late. Please bring your own vehicle or make arrangements to ride with someone. You may also want to bring something to drink or eat. The rain date will be Thursday June 10.

This shoot is open to anyone 12 years old and older. Minors under 18 years old MUST be accompanied by a LEGAL parent or guardian. No Exceptions. Please don't ask if 11 years and 11 months is close enough, because it isn't. Have proof of age, just in case the question comes up. A legal guardian must be authorized by law and documented by the court to represent the minor in all decisions pertaining to the minor. The father of a friend or older sibling is not good enough. The father of a friend or older sibling holding a legal guardianship document from a court of law is perfect.

For 2013, the cost to register is $85 and you have to buy the rounds on site. The registration fee allows you to shoot any of the weapons offered. If we donít hit 30 shooters by May 10, the shoot will be called off and I will refund all monies.

The cost of the rounds is extremely reasonable and offsets the initial registration fee. Rounds are cash only. You may not bring your own real steel or bullets, but you can show up and take all the pics and video you want, at no charge.

We feature various household appliances and cars for the shooters to blow up. Yes, I said BLOW UP.

If you wish to do any kneeling, squatting or prone shooting, bring some sort of pad.

There will be no off-hand or Rambo style shooting. Anyone found to be acting in an irresponsible manner will have their shooting day terminated, their rounds confiscated and they will be escorted off of the range, without a refund of any kind.

These are last years prices, but they shouldn't be too much different for this year. I will post up the current prices on belt fed rounds and loose rounds, as soon as I know them. Please donít comment on whether you could buy the rounds cheaper than anyone else or that you were/are in the military and you had enough of shooting. This is the manís living. If you have a Class III license, a couple of machine guns and 10,000 rounds at $.001 each, then lucky you.

AK47, M16, M4, M14, STG58/FAL, AK74, AC556/Mini14, MP5, M11A1/MAC11 with suppressor, M60, FN30/M1919, Thompson .45, RPD, Sten, Scorpion and maybe a .50 cal rifle of some kind.

45acp 30rd mag, $20.00
9mm 30rd mag $15.00
30 carb. 20rd mag $15.00
30carb 30rd mag $20.00
308 20rd mag $20.00
762x39 30rd mag $15.00
223 30rd mag $20.00
223 20 rd mag $15.00
.50 Cal $5.00 each

belt fed prices
RPD 50rd belt $30.00
M60 50rd belt $50.00
30 cal 50rd belt $50.00

Registrations, comments or questions must be submitted by email to [email protected]. Please include the names of the shooters, ages, one good contact phone number. All registrations must be submitted and paid in full by May 10.

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Old April 25th, 2013, 11:35 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Anyone else feel that mixing firearms into a paintball event is a bad idea?
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My suggestion would be the M60.


Trbo, the D-day event is about as close as you can get with people acting like its an actual war(from what I have seen and heard), so I don't think its that bad to have real guns there.
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Old April 25th, 2013, 12:00 PM   #4 (permalink)
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i just feel like it has taken paintball long enough to set itself apart from firearms and a "terrorist training game" as it has been seen by the news every once in a while that bringing a bunch of full auto firearms to an event like this is just asking for trouble in the eyes of the media.
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Having the shoot during the D-Day event is an added bonus, especially to international players that can't even get close to firearms. The shoot is held in an authorized range away from, but within hearing distance of the event. Safety is the first consideration and the rangemasters on hand have over 80 years combined military range experience. So, the short answer would be, no, it's not a bad idea.

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Old April 25th, 2013, 01:32 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I never said safety was a concern....

Just that something like d-day is already going to draw attention for being a military re-enactment where people actually get to shoot at each other many with markers that resemble actual firearms, and now we are bringing firearms into it? yes as a sideshow but still. I have to say again that paintball has struggled to separate itself from the world of firearms, we are lucky that our government does see them as separate things but in many countries out there that is not the case and paintball markers ARE considered firearms so they can not play. All it takes is a few bad coincidences to turn the public opinion. It is bad enough that any who commits a gun related crime who has any connection with paintball gets paintball in the hot seat, now imagine one of your participants down the road commits a gun related crime and is linked to participating in D-day and being able to fire a bunch of full-auto firearms as part of the event.

not to mention if you are trying to expose these international players to firearms what is stopping them from going and doing this on their own? Not to mention they are just going to go back home where they once again will not have a chance to own or shoot one of these so even if they do take an interest in them what can they do about it?

I still think this is a bad idea to be mixing the two worlds, all it takes is a few bad coincidences that dont even have to happen at the event for news and media to turn it into a terrible story of where these people were exposed to firearms. As for government, all that is preventing markers from being considered firearms is the definitions of a firearm, if that were to change we would all be in trouble.

Imagine for a second that the 2 guys who did the boston marathon bombings were linked to this...see what our sport would look like in the eyes of the media?
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yea, lets just ban guns and then NOBODY will ever want to shoot them again!
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im not saying ban guns, I am pro-firearms but I just think firearms and paintball need to stay in 2 separate areas. How would you like to have to go through a background check before being able to order a marker?
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I never said safety was a concern....

Just that something like d-day is already going to draw attention for being a military re-enactment where people actually get to shoot at each other many with markers that resemble actual firearms, and now we are bringing firearms into it? yes as a sideshow but still.
Oklahoma D-Day isn't a re-enactment. It is a scenario, a paintball game with a D-Day theme. Paintball is a game where people get to shoot at each other and has been that way since it started. OK D-Day won't get any more or less attention from the news media, than it has in the last 16 years. The Oklahoma Full Auto Shoot is the week after D-Day and has been going on for at least 16 years. I have hosted the CEF Full Auto Shoot for the last 7 years and I don't expect any more or less attention than I've always had.

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I have to say again that paintball has struggled to separate itself from the world of firearms, we are lucky that our government does see them as separate things but in many countries out there that is not the case and paintball markers ARE considered firearms so they can not play. All it takes is a few bad coincidences to turn the public opinion.
Paintball is lawful and has never had to struggle to separate itself from firearms. The Gun Control Act of 1968 took care of that for us. It was written into United States Code and will continue to protect paintball, until it is repealed, which will never happen. Persons using the marker in a way it was not intended to be used, like shooting pedestrians or animals, are breaking the law. At that point, any persons who break that law will be punished as if they used a firearm. In 1968, I was more concerned that my BB gun would be classified as a firearm and I would lose the privilege to shoot it. I was 11 years old, so even though I couldn't vote on it, I had a very real interest in the law. I probably know more than most people about the firearms laws and paintball in other countries, since the CEF has chapters in 12 countries. I feel for our teammates, but it's their country and they will have to work it out.

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It is bad enough that any who commits a gun related crime who has any connection with paintball gets paintball in the hot seat, now imagine one of your participants down the road commits a gun related crime and is linked to participating in D-day and being able to fire a bunch of full-auto firearms as part of the event.
This event isn't part of the D-Day event. It's totally separate and not on D-Day property. The shooting of Class III weapons is perfectly legal in Oklahoma. Your concern in unfounded, so no danger here. The only time a gun related crime drew attention to paintball, was when the crime was committed with a paintball marker. To my knowledge, no crime with a firearm has ever reflected badly on paintball.

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not to mention if you are trying to expose these international players to firearms what is stopping them from going and doing this on their own? Not to mention they are just going to go back home where they once again will not have a chance to own or shoot one of these so even if they do take an interest in them what can they do about it?
Again, the shooting of Class III firearms in Oklahoma is lawful for ANYONE who steps up and pays their money. I am not trying to expose my international players to firearms, I'm practically laying the firearms in their laps! They could absolutely do this on their own in the USA, but probably not in their own country, which makes their OK D-Day holiday trip memorable and makes them want to come back. I have no idea what they do about their interest in firearms, once they go back to their own country. I would like to imagine they have awesome dreams.

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I still think this is a bad idea to be mixing the two worlds, all it takes is a few bad coincidences that dont even have to happen at the event for news and media to turn it into a terrible story of where these people were exposed to firearms. As for the government, all that is preventing markers from being considered firearms is the definitions of a firearm, if that were to change we would all be in trouble. Imagine for a second that the 2 guys who did the boston marathon bombings were linked to this... see what our sport would look like in the eyes of the media?
Please let me worry about what the media might think about these poor misguided souls, whose minds have been forever twisted by their exposure to firearms in the greatest country in the world. I'm sure if they commit a crime with a firearm, which is illegal, the media will find it much more interesting than shooting Class III firearms or paintballs, which are both legal. The definition of a firearm isn't the only thing that prevents government agencies from considering markers as firearms. There is a whole lot more to that US Code. Lastly, except for my thoughts and prayers for the victims of the Boston Marathon bombings and their families, unless the bombers set the bombs off with a paintball marker, I will give them no thought whatsoever.

I hope my explanations lay any fears you may have to rest.

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Oklahoma D-Day isn't a re-enactment. It is a scenario,

of an actual event, just because you dont have the actual landing craft and people dont have real battle attire does not mean you are not re-creating something that happened in the past

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Paintball is lawful and has never had to struggle to separate itself from firearms. The Gun Control Act of 1968 took care of that for us. It was written into United States Code and will continue to protect paintball, until
the definition of a firearm changes, they dont need to repeal the whole bill, just change one phrase in it which currently says this

"(3) The term "firearm" means (A) any weapon (including a starter
gun) which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to
expel a projectile by the action of an explosive;"

by definition the tippmann C3 already falls into this since it uses propane. but replace "explosive" with "expanding gasses" and there you now have paintball markers being licensed and the massive hoop jumping that people already have to go through for firearms.


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Persons using the marker in a way it was not intended to be used, like shooting pedestrians or animals, are breaking the law. At that point, any persons who break that law will be punished as if they used a firearm.
which is also part of the problem, but dont get me wrong on this, I am all for people being prosecuted for these acts but the problem is every time a situation like this comes up

23ABC News - Bakersfield teen arrested for paintball attack on homeless man in Fresno - Bakersfield News, Bakersfield, California News & Bakersfield News Local Headlines - KERO TurnTo23

the last line reads "The suspects are facing several felony charges including assault with a deadly weapon."

now a paintball marker has gets seen as a deadly weapon, see the problem? if this is all the exposure paintball is getting when something like a bill comes up to change the definition of a firearm to include paintball, what is soccer mom's thoughts of paintball markers going to be? they are deadly weapons that is what.


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This event isn't part of the D-Day event.
really? because here is what you opened with

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The CEF will be hosting a military style full auto gun shoot at OK D-Day 2013 on Wednesday, June 12 and is open to everyone attending OK D-Day 2013.
I mean, i read that and my first thought was, "this is in no way connected with D-day at all....."

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The only time a gun related crime drew attention to paintball, was when the crime was committed with a paintball marker. To my knowledge, no crime with a firearm has ever reflected badly on paintball.
a quick internet search brings up this
EDITORIAL: New airsoft gun arena is OK - Beaumont Enterprise

and the important bit is here
"As one Beaumont police officer said of the airsoft arena, "They set up situations that simulate combat and simulate a gunfight. To what end are you training?"

it mentions paintball being in the same realm a little later

how about terrorists using paintball as a training exercise?

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The definition of a firearm isn't the only thing that prevents government agencies from considering markers as firearms.
what else is there?


I know these words are falling on deaf ears and I agree that 1 event or bad coincidence will not change the fate of paintball forever but small things can pile up, that is where the Gun control act got its start and in a lot of peoples minds where the restrictions of the 2nd amendment started.

"The Gun Control Act of 1968 was part of President Johnson's Great Society series of programs and was spurred in passage by the assassinations of John F. Kennedy, Malcolm X, Robert F. Kennedy, and Martin Luther King. The deaths of the latter two men occurred after the Act's introduction as a bill, but before it had been passed by either the House or Senate"

the assasination of any one of those people did not single handedly push the bill through but together it made enough of an impact that firearms went from being personal protection and hunting tools to deadly weapons
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