I have raven pants- not the Havoc's.
They're pretty nice... i get alotta bounces- but the one thing that bothers me is that the waist is wayyyy smaller than what it's advertised as. I wear a 27" waist, so i ordered 28"s but they fit wayyyy small. They are deffinatly not sized right.
I'm gettin new pants pretty soon too.
im gonna buy some DYE 03 pants or redz pants. Do they come w/ built in knee pads or do i have to buy some paintball specific knee/shin guards. Because i dont want to stick with jeans and my sk8bord protec knee pads, they have to big of a profile