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Redneck Paintball
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One of my buddies i grew up with has been playing for around 4 years and needs a gun that shoots better than his
He says he needs a "speedball gun" he has 300 for a hopper and a gun
I told him i would sell him one of my revolutions and all he needs is a gun any suggestions
He only will buy new
Azodin blitz
Spyder fenix
Gog envy
Gog extcy
Pmr
Mini
Proton
Aura
Any other suggestions would help
The gun would be a upgrade to his alpha black
 

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the blitz and fenix would be upgrades but only because the bolt on bits are better, as a base platform the mechanical side of those will not be any better than his alpha black

Id avoid the Gog markers

rail, mini, proton, aura are all great options. proton/aura will have the disadvantage of not being able to move or change the ASA but will be a hoseless design, rail is a more traditional setup being able to change out the ASA/reg/macro line if he wanted to but is a hosed design

personally i would take the proton, aura and rail over the mini
 
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I'm a huge huge fan of my Reflex Rail. The break-down and maintenance is simplistic, cocker threads allow me to go back and forth between stock and barrel kit, feed neck fits my Rotor beautifully, and its small and compact (I like playing "tight").


Now - had I not been getting a field sub. and paint/entry discounts with the purchase...and after looking at the physical composition of the Rail vs. Reflex Rail... I'd have bought the Rail.

There are 2-3 main o-rings to watch and replace when you have issues. The engine in the rear of the marker is 11ish lubrication points, 3 total metal pieces - all of which screw together. While its a step back from my Etek3...I'm willing to accept the sacrifice until I pick up a new, dual regulated spool valve....or find a Critical Quest that I can justify spending $200-350 on.

....guess I just like the spoolie.
 
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Guess the question to be asked here is - what would designate a mid-level poppet?


From the spool side - its gotta be single regulated and a fully EP marker. Would have to include eyes, be pretty light weight, have an on/off ASA and a board that supports current tournament firing modes. All this within a $300-500 price point (for quality product).


Maybe its me just being ignorant to what all is out there - but to my knowledge - the ETEK has infiltrated that price point with 2 regulators...almost nullifying the "mid range" concept for EP's...

So - do we sub classify Spoolies and Poppets as having their own Low/Mid/High end? Is there a low-end spool currently in production?


I'm beginning to think that we've run into a situation where classifications don't meet the product variety....to which:

1)We sub-classify based on valve type - where we either only offer low/high level spools and low/mid/high poppet assessments

2)We remove the middle class idea from our assessment of markers and mesh ETEK as an Ego JR...a bargain high end marker..

3)We classify the ETEK as a mid-range poppet...(though it doesn't make sense to do so, as the differences between an EGO and ETEK are far too minimal to consider them to be out of each others respective leagues)


thoughts?
 

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the fusion would be mid-level then i suppose since it's a FASOR, but you're right.

so allow me to rephrase this question:

Why are there no low-cost poppit markers? Seems the entry level is dominated my spoolies
 

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why are there no good mid-level poppits?
thats a really good question, it would have to be a FASOR but you would think there would not be anything from a production side that would be majorly different from creating a unbalances spool. single regulated, 2 way noid, single tube

strange


Guess the question to be asked here is - what would designate a mid-level poppet?


From the spool side - its gotta be single regulated and a fully EP marker. Would have to include eyes, be pretty light weight, have an on/off ASA and a board that supports current tournament firing modes. All this within a $300-500 price point (for quality product).


Maybe its me just being ignorant to what all is out there - but to my knowledge - the ETEK has infiltrated that price point with 2 regulators...almost nullifying the "mid range" concept for EP's...

So - do we sub classify Spoolies and Poppets as having their own Low/Mid/High end? Is there a low-end spool currently in production?


I'm beginning to think that we've run into a situation where classifications don't meet the product variety....to which:

1)We sub-classify based on valve type - where we either only offer low/high level spools and low/mid/high poppet assessments

2)We remove the middle class idea from our assessment of markers and mesh ETEK as an Ego JR...a bargain high end marker..

3)We classify the ETEK as a mid-range poppet...(though it doesn't make sense to do so, as the differences between an EGO and ETEK are far too minimal to consider them to be out of each others respective leagues)


thoughts?

heres the way i classify and at least to me it makes a lot of sense because with the exception of a few gray areas (like cocers and automags) everything in production fits into one category quite clearly and it is not subject to opinions



entry level - sear trippers, does not matter if it is regulated or not, an e-marker or not, if it has a sear it is in here

mid range - single regulated, 2 way noid (unbalanced spools, FASORs)

high end - duel regulated, 4 way noid (EP poppets and balanced spools) the shockers are the only exception to this class as they are single regulated 4-way noids but still a balanced spool
 
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which would put AxE and Mini in the mid-range...wouldn't it? Air-rammed poppets - single regulated with a noid but no LPR to speak of?
 

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Alien invasion is at mid level price but is easily as nice as egos
as nice in who's opinion? and see thats the reason why i feel that you can not make a list of entry/mid/high based on opinion, everyone feels some markers are higher or lower performance than someone else. there are probably tons of teens just getting into paintball that would list something like the tippmann X7 as "high end" when in reality it uses the same guts that the 98 uses

in the alien invasion case, both it and the egos use the same technology. price plays no roll in where a marker lands entry/mid/high. I could gold plate a brass eagle and sell it for $2000 but that doesnt mean it operates any differently than it did before
 

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high end - duel* regulated, 4 way noid (EP poppets and balanced spools) the shockers are the only exception to this class as they are single regulated 4-way noids but still a balanced spool
*-dual.

Also there are unbalanced spools in the high end. The Demon is an unbalanced spool. And no argument can be made that it doesn't belong there. As smooth as a DM, yet more efficient.
 

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I have had people shoot my invasion 05 ego and a 08 ego to see which people thought was the best
08 Ego weight size
Invasion really smooth for a poppet
Invasion is also quieter
And trbo i agree with that statement completly
A drone dx shoots better than a geo but its considered a mid level gun
 

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Geo is in every way a midrange marker. It's nowhere near as smooth as ANYTHING in it's price range, it's got VERY bad efficiency except when compared to the G3/4/etc, Aura/Proton, Rail/Reflex Rail, and the Rogue+, and to top it off, it's not even that quiet.
ONLY reason Geo's are bought is because of PE fanboys.
 

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*-dual.

Also there are unbalanced spools in the high end. The Demon is an unbalanced spool. And no argument can be made that it doesn't belong there. As smooth as a DM, yet more efficient.
ill argue it doesnt belong, and for this exact reason, smooth/efficient are traits you apply to a high end, someone else will apply different traits

on the same note though I would take some mid range markers over some high ends (if we are applying mid range and high end terms per my list above) Id take an NT over a shocker for instance

Just because its "mid range" does not mean its worse, yes, typically high end markers have better performance than mid range markers but again, performance according to who? the only way to create a list of entry/mid/high that is clear to everyone is to take the human element out of it

if we leave the human element in then there is no way to make a list, you have not shot every single marker out there, neither have I, so how can anyone make a complete list? Mike is probably the closest to being able to do that in this day and age but once again, he will apply different standards to markers than you will, he will like different things than you do

the only way to make a list that is clear and everyone can place markers into is to take the personal preference out of it and just look at markers from a purely mechanical standpoint.
 
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