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Well, I figured this would be the best place to ask this question. I got a phantom, specifically the cheapest one here (the top one). Its a lot of fun, but because its not vertical or bottom line air (the tank screws in right behind the sight rail) the tank gets in the way when I try to aim down the barrel. Without out severely contorting myself it is hard to adequately aim, and I end up being not nearly as accurate with a mask on as without. If it was a semi I'd aim by adjusting after each shot, but that doesn't work to well with a pump (for me at least). What should I do?

1. Buy a vertical air kit for 50$, the tank is out of the way, problem solved
2. Buy a bottom line kit for 50$, same idea
3. Buy a cheap non-magnifying sight that would elevate my aiming enough that my mask wouldn't hit the co2 tank. For example, this one Adco Imp Red Dot Sight | Paintball Review | pbreview.com for 18$
4. Buy a really small co2 tank
5. Something else?
 

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Best thing to do is use your tank as a stock.

Here is one way to do it:
If you pump with your left had the tank should be on your right shoulder and shooting with the right hand and vise versa for if you pump with the right.

This will mean that you are coming sideways at your target and presents a smaller profile. The other reason for doing this is it will raise the gun up some and just about line the gun up for you. With the hopper in the way of being able to see down the gun you kinda have to aim by zen, aim at some thing by not being able to see it clearly.

Also going down to the target range at the field will help you get use to the gun it's self and how it shoots.

One drill that helps is start from one side of the range and take one shot at a target. If it hits then move on to the next one. But if you miss it start over and go to your first target. Once your able to go across the range with out missing any targets. try doing it a little faster then last time you went across.
 

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Here's what I think:

1). A vertical air kit will certainly move the tank out of the way but keep in mind you don't want to put a bulk tank on their either so you'll want to change to a 3.5oz.

2). You can't mount a bottomline on an M-16 grip so you'll need to replace that as well. With a bottomline you can get an adapter to run into your existing valve body.

3). That's preference, I'm not a fan of sites but if it works for you then great.

4). a 3.5 oz tank is about the smallest but it may not correct your problem.

5) Something else. Buy an L stock that mounts onto the M16 grip from either CCI or used. Pick up a tank ring online (white wolf air sells them but he's questionable at times buy it from him on E bay). Use the tank ring to put the tank on your new L stock, get a normal asa and 1/8" adapter and run it really old school! (I'm setting up my Karni like that but with a CCI t-stock and drop forward).
 

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To start DO NOT get a stock from White Wolf Air! Call Mike directly at CCI or go to www.phatomonline.comand order it from him directly. Joe Wolf has problems making orders and it could be months before you get the stock from him. Mike has great customer service.

You'd end up with something close to this coming out of the back of your phantom:


The only difference is this picture is using a CCI drop forward. The 1/8th adapter allows you to take the air from the ASA on the tank and put it into where the tank goes in the back of your phantom. You can find them on almost any paintball site under air fittings. This is also used on remotes as well. Here's a link to one on Compulsive Paintball's site.

PMI ASA Port Reducer and Hose / Fittings - Compulsive Paintball, Inc.

By using that you won't have to replace the valve on the back of your phantom.
 

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Hmmm, I'm still undecided. Does anyone have any thoughts on getting a red dot sight? Its the cheapest route and I wouldn't have to change much.
 

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NONONONO! I DON'T MEAN THAT BY STOCK!

I mean don't buy an additional stock, use your c02 tank AS THE STOCK.

Red dot scopes don't work, the only thing they're good for is if the have zoom, then you can spot enemies from far away. 10/10 your ball won't hit where your red dot is pointed. Firing a ball is different than firing a bullet.

Also, the red dot scope will get in the way of your firing, defeating the purpose.
 

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Stocks on a pump aren't a bad idea pumping the marker moves it around quite a bit and a lot of players like the extra stability and with the Phantom being so light it moves around a lot. Don't worry about red dot sights after enough time playing pump you get a very good idea of where your shots will go and with enough practice you might be able to graduate to playing stock class.
 

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I personally don't like using bulk tanks on a phantom as they through the weight off significantly so I use a regular T stock. Even if I'm running a 3.5 oz vertical tank the weight distribution is still pretty centered on the trigger frame.
 

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Well, I don't really want to drop 50 for a stock so I think I may just get a vertical or bottom line air adapter. Thanks for all the advice guys.
 

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NONONONO! I DON'T MEAN THAT BY STOCK!

I mean don't buy an additional stock, use your c02 tank AS THE STOCK.

Red dot scopes don't work, the only thing they're good for is if the have zoom, then you can spot enemies from far away. 10/10 your ball won't hit where your red dot is pointed. Firing a ball is different than firing a bullet.

Also, the red dot scope will get in the way of your firing, defeating the purpose.
He has already said that he doesn't like having the tank in his face like that...he was doing that before and it didn't work.

the only type of sight that you can really use for paintball is a red dot sight. Using anything with magnification will be useless. A red dot can be adjusted onto the general hit area that you are dealing with. take into account the batteries though as well. Even an 18 sight will burn through lots of batteries over a short period of time.

Im big time into shooting and have been to more shooting schools through the army than I can count. I have fired every type of high end optic you can imagine and will tell you that for an area weapon like a paintball gun a red dot is your only choice.

Get the vert air adapter buy a hand full of 3.5 oz tanks and you are set. If you have air at you field you will be set buy one and you are done.
 
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