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Hey guys, new here and just have a few questions about the X7 to see if I need it over the A5.

I'll just number it so it's easy to respond to

1. Can A5 barrels be used on the X7? I'm thinking of getting an 18" stiffi for woodsball that I know is for the A5, but wondering if the exclusiveness of X7 parts with that company messes with barrel choices.

2. I'm left handed, but used to shoot right until I realized I can't close my left eye, so using the sights was a pain in the ass, can either the a5 or x7's hopper be switched to the other side? Just curious, if not I'm still considering them

3. One of the reasons I'm liking the X7 is because you hold it by parellel to the barrel, compared to the a5's grip. Are there any A5 handles out there that also fit any barrel like a stiffi?


I think that's it for now, thanks guys. Been out of the game for a few years.
 

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1) A5 and X7 barrels are the same threading.

2) Not without some SERIOUS modification. People have done it but it isn't some you can easily do in your spare time.

3) The front grip on the A5 is removable by just taking out a single screw. You can also get aftermarket grips that can replace the stock A5 grip if you wanted a different style.

Is there any particular reason you want are settled on the A5/X7?
 

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1) A5 and X7 barrels are the same threading.

2) Not without some SERIOUS modification. People have done it but it isn't some you can easily do in your spare time.

3) The front grip on the A5 is removable by just taking out a single screw. You can also get aftermarket grips that can replace the stock A5 grip if you wanted a different style.

Is there any particular reason you want are settled on the A5/X7?
I've always just loved tippmann. They always seem so reliable and it doesn't hurt that they look nice and perform well.
I'm sort of leaning towards an A5 if they can have grips installed, hopefully they'll fit any barrel fine. The x7 just looks like A5 specs but with a realistic style which I don't give a damn about (the clip would honest probably just annoy me).

I also don't need high BPS, I prefer to conserve balls and try to not draw attention to myself, I only play woodsball so I'm planning on getting a fluted stiffi with the A5.


EDIT: what barrel should I go for just for best accuracy/range?

I was previously thinking of an 18" stiffi, but that's probably overkill, as I heard anything past 16" isnt worth it. Hard to know if I should go for a flatline, or a 16" from another (but which? brand).
 

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The X7 and A5 are essentially the same marker. The only real change is that the X7 was designed from the beginning to accept a complete line of snap on mods to change the look. Tippmann just noticed how many third party mods were being sold for the A5 and then decided that if people were buying the mods they might as well be the guys selling them. As far as reliability goes Tippmann isn't any better than any other marker and actually much worse than others. The Cyclone alone kills more fun days of paintball than anything else I've ever seen on the field. When they work the Cyclone is great but if anything goes wrong you can't use your marker at all. If you want a Tippmann buy a 98C and a decent powered hopper.

Barrels have little to do with accuracy and nothing to do with range. Range is determined by your velocity and since all players shoot at the same velocity everyone shoots the same range. Accuracy is determined by the consistency of your air source, paint to barrel match, paint quality but most importantly by the skill of the player holding the marker.

Having a high bps isn't anything bad at all you don't have to use all the firepower I currently shoot an Angel but have also owned Egos and a score of other electronic markers and the rate of fire is 100% up to the player. I typically don't even use a full hopper of paint during a game when in theory I could shoot it all in a matter of seconds.

Don't be so quick to settle on a Tippmann just because they have a reputation for being reliable but if you do want a Tippmann buy a 98C and a good hopper the 98C, A5, X7 are all the same internal design that Tippmann has used for decades.
 

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I would look into BT's line of markers over a tippmann. A few years back, Tippmann sold their company and the reliability of the products they sell took a huge dive (outsourcing to where labor's cheaper). Just after this, Ben Tippmann formed BT, which makes the same markers Tippmann does but at a much higher quality. A BT with a good hopper (eye force, invert too), as well as HPA, and a J&J ceramic barrel, would perform pretty good.

That said, if you're willing to look into low-end electronic markers, I would probably recommend a Smart Parts vibe, with HPA, and the same barrel and loaders as above. It will perform better than a tippmann. Lighter, more consistent, lighter trigger pull, quieter, electronic so you can get up to higher rates of fire if you wish (11 bps) but you can keep it as slow as you want. It will also be easier to maintain, as the main moving part (the bolt) comes right out the back rather than having to split the two halves apart. The thing with Tippmann is that they're charging extortionate prices for technology they haven't changed in around 20 years.

If you still want a milsim look, I would steer you toward a Smart Parts SP-1, it has the same performance as the vibe, but a different look.
 

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If you still want a milsim look, I would steer you toward a Smart Parts SP-1, it is the same as the vibe, but a different body.
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But the rest is decent advice. I would steer clear of all tippmanns all together, including BT. There is just better markers for cheaper...
 

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Hmm after a bit of reading I'm actually considering alternatives to tippmann.

Was looking at BT products and the sp-1 you guys mentioned.

I'm really liking the idea of the BT Delta Elite (BT equivalent of an A5 with a flatline). Was looking into that Apex barrel online a few days ago and the consensus is that it's waay better than the flatline, looks cool how you can easily swap to shooting left, right whatever whenever you want. Not to mention that gun would come with a stock already on it and a nice foregrip.

If you were to compare a BT to a tippmann, I guess you guys said the BT is of much higher quality? If so then BT sounds like it'd be great.

EDIT: just read that tippmann's quality dropped ever since ben left, due to cheaper labor. Maybe I should go for a BT. THe delta elite has all the **** an upgraded a5 would have like an e-grip etc., so that sounds cool. Plus I dig the mp5 look

As for the SP-1, it looks like a nice gun as well, but are there any stock upgrades etc. available for it?
 

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I know what I said about BT having good quality, but they still charge an insane amount of money for a marker that's not that great. If you really want one, buy a basic BT-4 and don't spend a dime upgrading it. It's a basic marker, but it will treat you fine. Just don't start upgrading it, because all the upgrades for those guns aren't worth it. It's better to save up for a better gun.

That delta elite you were looking at: yes, the flatline gives more range, but by the time the paintball is out that far, its travelling so slow it won't even break on impact. So the flatline doesn't give any extra useable range. Also, you'll find that stocks don't really help at all, with a mask on its nearly impossible to shoulder a paintball marker and use the sights. And there's basically no recoil on a paintball marker. Just put your tank at your shoulder, you'll be fine.

So, if you really want a "Tippmann style gun" get a BT-4 and don't upgrade a thing. If you're willing to get an electric one, get a vibe or SP-1. As I said before they will perform much better for about the same price as a BT-4, and much less than that Delta Elite.
 

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Oh geez, just watched all 25 min of the techpb for the sp-1 and it's sounding sexy as hell now in terms of reliability/quality, and just general function.

To be honest, never gave the sp-1 as much thought compared to others, because I don't like the idea of having to worry about batteries etc. on a grip, how often do you have to replace them? If they run all you're just stuck with semi right (i have no problems with this if this is the case)

I've never thought about such fast guns before, what size tank would be nice and efficient? (HPA) for being comfortable/not too much of a hassle of refilling every 2 seconds

Thanks for the help guys
 

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Oh geez, just watched all 25 min of the techpb for the sp-1 and it's sounding sexy as hell now in terms of reliability/quality, and just general function.

To be honest, never gave the sp-1 as much thought compared to others, because I don't like the idea of having to worry about batteries etc. on a grip, how often do you have to replace them? If they run all you're just stuck with semi right (i have no problems with this if this is the case)

I've never thought about such fast guns before, what size tank would be nice and efficient? (HPA) for being comfortable/not too much of a hassle of refilling every 2 seconds

Thanks for the help guys
If your batteries run out you can't fire the gun at all. And I use 68/45 on all my markers and never have a problem of having to refill it every 2 seconds.
 

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Aw dang, oh well I guess you just gotta pack some batteries in your pocket which isn't too bad.

I forgot to ask about loaders, there's so many choices and I've never paid attention to them in my life, since I always thought I wanted an A5.
I guess the sp-1 only goes up to about 11bps (not complaining) so I'd only need one that can reach that, so I'm guessing a halo is overkill. Anyone know a loader that maxes out around there?

EDIT: after reading around people suggested to people the invert halo or empire reloader B. Is the empire reloader B the same as the empire reloader II (paintballgear.ca has one called the reloader II, but I don't see a reloader B anywhere)
 

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I've never thought about such fast guns before
Thanks for the help guys
Watch this video from techpb: YouTube - Pinokio Hopper Pure Carnage This video, especially the second clip, will give an idea of whats possible, not what's practical. :D

As for loaders, don't think about anything other than a Viewloader eye force or an invert too. They're both cheap and will keep up with an SP-1 and faster, no problem. Don't go and get a cheapo that spins constantly, as a woodsballer you will despise it, trust me.
 

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Watch this video from techpb: YouTube - Pinokio Hopper Pure Carnage This video, especially the second clip, will give an idea of whats possible, not what's practical. :D

As for loaders, don't think about anything other than a Viewloader eye force or an invert too. They're both cheap and will keep up with an SP-1 and faster, no problem. Don't go and get a cheapo that spins constantly, as a woodsballer you will despise it, trust me.
Holy. ****.

Actually seeing the balls through a clear hopper is insane. I have no clue how the physics of that works haha

EDIT: and I guess I'll go for a halo invert too, thanks for the recommendations guys
 
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