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Why does the millitary use M16's compared to AK47's?

Ak47's are more powerfull (.76 to .2something )

AK47's are accurate up to 300 yards

I hear M16's jam a lot more than them aswell.

Discuss.

DISCLAIMER:This info isn't rock solid, but I'm pretty sure it's true.
 

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The M16 would be more controllable due to the smaller bullet (5.56mm, AK is 7.62) but I hear they DO jam a lot. I'd probably take the AK unless the M16 didn't jam.
 

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maybe they want to be different

ak47s are the most widley used firearm in the world
 

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m16 isnt made to kill a guy, its made to injur them.

when a guy is killed, they leave them and get them later, but when one is injuered, it takes an extra guy or two to haul him back to where he is safe, thus, minimizing their active numbers.
 

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m16's have 5.56 bullrts which are faster and go farther and the m16 is more accurate. The AK is durable. thats it. Besides we use the M4 now the m16 is almost ancient
 

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The M16 model is growing old, yes, however it's concept isn't. With A2, and M4's cluttering the market, it's not going anywhere for a while.

Besides, Ak's are Gas powered.. F-That :).
 

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Plus M16's (and its evolved cousin, the M4 Carbine) are patriotic. If you support the use of Kalashnikovs, you get called a dirty terrorist.

I'll take an M16 over an AK anyday, I've always disliked wood stocks and Russia in general. A lot of sub-par quality stuff comes out of that crapped-out nation anyway, I wouldn't put my life on the line with a gun made there.
 

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M4s don't jam much. Where'd you hear that?

If you're talking about the stories in Iraq, it's because some of our soldiers are morons and don't know how to take proper care of their weapons.

If you go into battle, and you have a weapon that'll keep you alive, if you're smart, you'll take care of it, and you won't have any problems with jamming.
 

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Xley said:

Ak47's are more powerfull (.76 to .2something )


As mentioned above, the .30 AK47 does make a bigger hole then the .223 M16.

However, the thinking behind the .223 is that 1 hit from a .223 bullet will take somebody out of action just as easily as a .30 bullet. A casualty is a casualty.
Plus, the .223 weighs MUCH less, you can carry much MORE, and has less recoil during full-auto fire.

As a result, the .223 ends up being a better bullet for human targets.
BTW, the Russians switched over to .223 A LONG TIME AGO. The .223 version of the AK47 is called the AK74. Its mostly 3rd world countries using the .30 AK47.... and most of those are left-overs from the 60-70s.

Beyond that, its a lot of politics. The M16 is a beautiful rifle. Lighter, and more accurate then the AK47. Much more control during F/A and burst. But, the M16 needs to be kept clean, and the proper ammo needs to be used, or it will suffer failures.

I've shot both, and like both. Both beautifully represent the design concepts they are trying to fullfil. But, in all honesty, both are out-of-date designs. The M4 and AK74su are stop-gap measures, until 21st century combat arms make it to our soldiers.

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AK-47 because you can buy one in Africa for 50 (american) dollars. and you can throw em in the dirt, mud, and theyre fine.
m-16 do jam.
Your opinion might be a little biased so i dunno.
 

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DuoDSG said:
Plus M16's (and its evolved cousin, the M4 Carbine) are patriotic. If you support the use of Kalashnikovs, you get called a dirty terrorist.
call me a dirty jewish terrorist
 

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heh. guys this was my friend on my account... not that it matters. Just thought you may want to know.

I dunno **** about guns :)
 

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Well...as far as a 5.56 X 45 NATO Ball round putting someone down just as well as a 7.62 X 39 FMJ goes, you have to look at it like this:

The current Ball round (standard issue ammunition) is the 5.56mm Greentip, which is topped with a tungsten cutter head designed to penetrate body armor. When you shoot this round at someone who isn't wearing any body armor, it slices right through their body and the exit wound is about the same as the entrance wound. There are documented cases where people have continued to shoot back after being shot eight or nine times in non-critical points (shoulders, arms, legs, etc.) because the greentip round goes right through them. Yes, it hurts them, but its not the same as being hit by a FMJ round that will expand slightly and do more damage. Its more comparable to being stabbed with a razor-sharp ice pick.
 

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SEAL-1 said:

The current Ball round (standard issue ammunition) is the 5.56mm Greentip, which is topped with a tungsten cutter head designed to penetrate body armor.
The SS109s were designed to tumble apon entry. This way, they are still lethal when fired on people without vests due to overwhelming hydrostatic shock.

Likewise, most AK47 ammo is steel-core, which has the same basic problem. It does not expand, but also does not tumble, and can end up being less fatal.

But... thats the problem with ballistics. Everyone has anecodotal evidence to contradict someone elses anecdotes.

That said, I'm always amused when some ignorant reporter will comment on the Ar15 by calling it a "high-powered, sniper, assult-rifle".
When none of those things are true.

Nick
 
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