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mararuder or avenger? my cuz needs a good cheap beginner marker under 50$ so ill buy him one for his bday next month. and with out a hopper can u use the sight electronic thing?
 

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go for a viewloader orion, best beginner gun in my opinion, i had one and it did way better than my freinds victor II
 

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my friend had a murauder and it choped paint like there was a blender in the barrel try the avenger, i am firmiliar with both but i cant tell you anything about the victors. the orions are basicly identical from the avenger
 

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i would personaly stay away from the marauder unless you want to replace the ball detent that is one of the main reasons it chops paint i havent checked out the avengers so i dont know if the fixed that problem or not so theres my opinion on the marauder
 

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brass eagle now has the raider it looks like a good gun for the $50 but the victor (never saw a victor II used) is a great gun one of my freinds has had his for about three years and hasn't had any problems
 
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