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Greetings all, I have enjoyed looking through the forum here. I am fishing for some advice on an electronic marker.

I have been playing paint ball for about 6 years and, after a short hiatus from active play, I'm ready to get back in to regular recreational play (mostly woods-ball, informal speedball, etc. no tourney play in the foreseeable future).

I have always used Spyders (I have two mechanical semi-autos) and have found them to be reliable markers. I am ready to transition into the realm of electronic markers and would like to hear any recommendations.

Being a Spyder user since day one, I first researched the entry level markers offered by Kingman. At this point I am leaning towards a Fenix ACS, or Electra 05 ACS.

I have been interested to see how many people seem to DESPISE Spyder markers, so I imagine I will get some anti-Spyder bias, but that is OK, I am no Spyder fan-boy, I just have had good luck with both of my Spyders up until now.

My price range is around $300 and I would prefer to stay away from HPA at this point.

All feedback is appreciated.

~~NoPB4Joo~~
 

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The ACS markers are really good and quick, but i think they aren't worth it-there's better stuff in that price level for only $50 more.

If u want to stay away from hpa at this point u could get the wrath and come anti-siphoned co2, then upgrade to hpa. It's a good quick gun and can hang w/ anything on the field.

If ur sticking spyders i'd get a 05imagine and buy a $70 t-board w/ beambreak eyes and have ur shop install that. Then get a barrel and a halo B.
 

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Bobide, thanks for input. As for price, it looks like I can get a Fenix ACS for about $200-$225...Wrath for $250. I have never shot a Wrath...assuming standard upgrades (mechanical hopper and new barrel) is it a solid gun? Are the Wrath's features comparable or better than Fenix/Electra ACS?

Thanks again.

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the wrath has eyes, and uses a electro pneumatic setup like a bko. It's quick, won't chop, and has very little to no kick. Decent regulator on there also. Havn't shot one though...
 

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spyders are decent guns but for 300 dollars you can do alot better... check out the b/s/t page on here...
 
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I like the wrath personally. I shot one and it shoots nice. You could also just get a spyder and put some upgrades in it and it would also work fine.
 

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Thankyou for the additional input.

b2k..I have experience as a paintballer, but I am a flaming newbie here at the forum...what is the b/s/t page?

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Thanks.

Another thing, I have read in several places that a board upgrade is a good idea...from the stock board to a "T-Board." Could you tell me what a T-Board is and where I could find one (online stores preferred).


Thanks a bunch.

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We cant link to other web sites on this forum but if you want to know where to get it online you can pm me. The T-board increases your rate of fire and the eyes sense paintballs so their is less chopping in the feed tube at higher rates of fire. I have a good deal on a brand new 04 Imagine if your interested.
 

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we can link to sites that don't compete w/ xpaintball. Like pbnews sites, or specific manufacters.

http://www.scenariodreams.com/t-board.htm

it's a simple drop in board and u don't even need to install the eyes, though its a good idea.
 

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yeah b/s/t is buy sell trade.. the t-board basically make your spyder shoot as fast as you can and more.... if you want a fast spyder it is the way to go
 

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Well, I have been reading a lot lately and I'm now leaning towards the Wrath w/ suggested ups (barrel, t-board w/ eyes, bolt, & grips). I haven't ruled other markers out yet but will probably not go with an Ion...don't know why.

What about hoppers...I have heard good things about the Halo B w/ rip drive, but I don't want to spend the cash if it will not add to the performance of the marker itself. I am not into eye-candy upgrades for the purpose of impressing the noobs and fan-boys. If it doesn't improve the marker, than this poor bastard isn't interested.

Your input is appreciated.

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yea the wrath is a good gun to get for around 260, but as for upgrades you dont need to get the t-board because it is capped at 20 bps right now and you wont be able to outshoot that. As for a barrel, you will need one definitely. And it would be a good idea to buy a delrin bolt for it to make it shoot smoother. And as for hoppers, if your low on cash, then you will be fine w/ the viewloader evolution II which loads around 17 bps, and you can get it for about 65, the halo is a great hopper to buy but unfortunately, most good things cost alot of money. If you decide to go with the halo then you should save the money and not get rip drive. All it does is help if your batteries go dead,which shouldnt happen if you use fresh batteries.
 

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A new hopper is not a cosmetic thing..as you reffered to it (eye-candy).
If you want to get a wrath, and expect to be keeping up with the high rates of fire it can dish out then you will need a fast hopper (ex. halo b,evo 2,reloader b).So even though it is quite a fair bit of money,you could get a nice condition used halo b for around 80usd give or take about 10 dollars
 

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wrath w/ a t-board, new bolt (stock is metal i think) , cp barrel, new detents, and grips (though they aren't needed) would rock.

the Halo B is far from eye candy. That sucker can push out 22bps stock and w/ a new board ppl have reached 26bps. Damn fast. A good mod to lighten them up is to run 2 9volts instead-ppl sell home made harnesses or i know a site that sells a adapter. The same site has a halo B clear shells for $103.

No other hopper will be able to give u 19bps-not a z-boarded egg II or a apache.
 

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What about a Q-Loader? I have never seen one in person, but all the specs and reviews I have read make it seem to be quite an upgrade. I especially like the low profile it gives you.

>>Bobide, you recommended new detents...any particular reason? Is there a specific detent you would suggest?

Thank's all

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For $300, I would defitnally go Ion... There good and have eyes. Overall pretty good especially for its price range. With different modes, an eye, and good speed, its worth it.
 
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