Don't ever get them. My 7th Element board in my PM8 recently had the connector for the eyes tear off. I had these eyes in it, so ended up getting a Virtue ribbon->wire connector to plug into the wired eyes port. Couldn't even BEGIN to plug the things into the adapter (which uses the same adapter as the stock UL board). So stopped by a local store that had OEM eyes, and compared, and the Punishers eyes are VISIBLY larger and thicker ribbon. So no wonder the poor connector got ripped off the board when I tried to remove the eyes.