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Taken from the nation, again. I need to find my own sources..
No. 1?

by Michael Ventura
February 23, 2005

No concept lies more firmly embedded in our national character than the notion that the USA is "No. 1," "the greatest." Our broadcast media are, in essence, continuous advertisements for the brand name "America Is No. 1." Any office seeker saying otherwise would be committing political suicide. In fact, anyone saying otherwise will be labeled "un-American." We're an "empire," ain't we? Sure we are. An empire without a manufacturing base. An empire that must borrow $2 billion a day from its competitors in order to function. Yet the delusion is ineradicable. We're No. 1. Well...this is the country you really live in:

* The United States is 49th in the world in literacy (the New York Times, Dec. 12, 2004).

* The United States ranked 28th out of 40 countries in mathematical literacy (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).

* Twenty percent of Americans think the sun orbits the earth. Seventeen percent believe the earth revolves around the sun once a day (The Week, Jan. 7, 2005).

* "The International Adult Literacy Survey...found that Americans with less than nine years of education 'score worse than virtually all of the other countries'" (Jeremy Rifkin's superbly documented book The European Dream: How Europe's Vision of the Future Is Quietly Eclipsing the American Dream, p.78).

* Our workers are so ignorant and lack so many basic skills that American businesses spend $30 billion a year on remedial training (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004). No wonder they relocate elsewhere!

* "The European Union leads the U.S. in...the number of science and engineering graduates; public research and development (R&D) expenditures; and new capital raised" (The European Dream, p.70).

* "Europe surpassed the United States in the mid-1990s as the largest producer of scientific literature" (The European Dream, p.70).

* Nevertheless, Congress cut funds to the National Science Foundation. The agency will issue 1,000 fewer research grants this year (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004).

* Foreign applications to U.S. grad schools declined 28 percent last year. Foreign student enrollment on all levels fell for the first time in three decades, but increased greatly in Europe and China. Last year Chinese grad-school graduates in the U.S. dropped 56 percent, Indians 51 percent, South Koreans 28 percent (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004). We're not the place to be anymore.

* The World Health Organization "ranked the countries of the world in terms of overall health performance, and the U.S. [was]...37th." In the fairness of health care, we're 54th. "The irony is that the United States spends more per capita for health care than any other nation in the world" (The European Dream, pp.79-80). Pay more, get lots, lots less.

* "The U.S. and South Africa are the only two developed countries in the world that do not provide health care for all their citizens" (The European Dream, p.80). Excuse me, but since when is South Africa a "developed" country? Anyway, that's the company we're keeping.

* Lack of health insurance coverage causes 18,000 unnecessary American deaths a year. (That's six times the number of people killed on 9/11.) (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005.)

* "U.S. childhood poverty now ranks 22nd, or second to last, among the developed nations. Only Mexico scores lower" (The European Dream, p.81). Been to Mexico lately? Does it look "developed" to you? Yet it's the only "developed" country to score lower in childhood poverty.

* Twelve million American families--more than 10 percent of all U.S. households--"continue to struggle, and not always successfully, to feed themselves." Families that "had members who actually went hungry at some point last year" numbered 3.9 million (NYT, Nov. 22, 2004).

* The United States is 41st in the world in infant mortality. Cuba scores higher (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005).

* Women are 70 percent more likely to die in childbirth in America than in Europe (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005).

* The leading cause of death of pregnant women in this country is murder (CNN, Dec. 14, 2004).

* "Of the 20 most developed countries in the world, the U.S. was dead last in the growth rate of total compensation to its workforce in the 1980s.... In the 1990s, the U.S. average compensation growth rate grew only slightly, at an annual rate of about 0.1 percent" (The European Dream, p.39). Yet Americans work longer hours per year than any other industrialized country, and get less vacation time.

* "Sixty-one of the 140 biggest companies on the Global Fortune 500 rankings are European, while only 50 are U.S. companies" (The European Dream, p.66). "In a recent survey of the world's 50 best companies, conducted by Global Finance, all but one were European" (The European Dream, p.69).

* "Fourteen of the 20 largest commercial banks in the world today are European.... In the chemical industry, the European company BASF is the world's leader, and three of the top six players are European. In engineering and construction, three of the top five companies are European.... The two others are Japanese. Not a single American engineering and construction company is included among the world's top nine competitors. In food and consumer products, Nestlé and Unilever, two European giants, rank first and second, respectively, in the world. In the food and drugstore retail trade, two European companies...are first and second, and European companies make up five of the top ten. Only four U.S. companies are on the list" (The European Dream, p.68).

* The United States has lost 1.3 million jobs to China in the last decade (CNN, Jan. 12, 2005).

* U.S. employers eliminated 1 million jobs in 2004 (The Week, Jan. 14, 2005).

* Three million six hundred thousand Americans ran out of unemployment insurance last year; 1.8 million--one in five--unemployed workers are jobless for more than six months (NYT, Jan. 9, 2005).

* Japan, China, Taiwan, and South Korea hold 40 percent of our government debt. (That's why we talk nice to them.) "By helping keep mortgage rates from rising, China has come to play an enormous and little-noticed role in sustaining the American housing boom" (NYT, Dec. 4, 2004). Read that twice. We owe our housing boom to China, because they want us to keep buying all that stuff they manufacture.

* Sometime in the next 10 years Brazil will probably pass the U.S. as the world's largest agricultural producer. Brazil is now the world's largest exporter of chickens, orange juice, sugar, coffee, and tobacco. Last year, Brazil passed the U.S. as the world's largest beef producer. (Hear that, you poor deluded cowboys?) As a result, while we bear record trade deficits, Brazil boasts a $30 billion trade surplus (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).

* As of last June, the U.S. imported more food than it exported (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).

* Bush: 62,027,582 votes. Kerry: 59,026,003 votes. Number of eligible voters who didn't show up: 79,279,000 (NYT, Dec. 26, 2004). That's more than a third. Way more. If more than a third of Iraqis don't show for their election, no country in the world will think that election legitimate.

* One-third of all U.S. children are born out of wedlock. One-half of all U.S. children will live in a one-parent house (CNN, Dec. 10, 2004).

* "Americans are now spending more money on gambling than on movies, videos, DVDs, music, and books combined" (The European Dream, p.28).

* "Nearly one out of four Americans [believe] that using violence to get what they want is acceptable" (The European Dream, p.32).

* Forty-three percent of Americans think torture is sometimes justified, according to a PEW Poll (Associated Press, Aug. 19, 2004).

* "Nearly 900,000 children were abused or neglected in 2002, the last year for which such data are available" (USA Today, Dec. 21, 2004).

* "The International Association of Chiefs of Police said that cuts by the [Bush] administration in federal aid to local police agencies have left the nation more vulnerable than ever" (USA Today, Nov. 17, 2004).

No. 1? In most important categories we're not even in the Top 10 anymore. Not even close.
 

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Those facts mean nothing without a source, where did the person get this information?
 

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we still have the biggest muscle in the world
meaning, if anyone messes with us, they are dead
meaning, we are number 1 where it counts
 

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NYY said:
we still have the biggest muscle in the world
meaning, if anyone messes with us, they are dead
meaning, we are number 1 where it counts
that's very closed minded. wow, we can blow people up, never mind that the interior of our country sucks at life.
 

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While I doubt anyone will know if we truly are #1 for at least another 50-100 years (when they look back on us), I must say I disagree with a lot of that information. Many of the facts and "points" they are attempting to make seem quite trivial, and the information seems incomplete. There are plenty of factors, numbers, statistics, etc in each of those statements that are left out.

It's like Michael Moore compiled the list. They're only showing you the bad side.

-Jin
 

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bob005 said:
that's very closed minded. wow, we can blow people up, never mind that the interior of our country sucks at life.
I think he was being sarcastic...

Not to mention, what good is the interior of our country if it's currently occupied by some other dictator who's just bombed the hell out of and killed off most of our citizens?

*Edit* Sorry for the double post.

-Jin
 

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128shot said:
* "The U.S. and South Africa are the only two developed countries in the world that do not provide health care for all their citizens" (The European Dream, p.80).
* > Government Intervention

Laissez Faire is what it use to be all about. Why should the government provide health care? Go get a job, work for a living, and pay for it yourself just like everyone else does.

Also, if people don't like America so much, leave. They're the ones who are contributing the most to it's decline. They have to whine and complain, so the U.S. is obliged by the vote (seeing as how it IS a democracy) to change it's policys to please those who think they can spend spend spend our budget without consequence.

I'm not saying Bush is doing a bad job, because he's the best we got at this point, but I think we need a good, strong leader next election who can really reshape America for the 21st century. It's about time for some GOOD change. Not like an extreme change towards the liberal side, but we just need a leader with a policy that will help put America back in it's prime.

-Jin
 

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there are aids in america does that make it undeveloped?
south africa has many industrys and has equil rights and much more

thats more then 7/8 of the rest of africa
 

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1 i know that but that has nothing to do with what were talking about
2 there arent many americans in south africa
3 im half asleep i cant type when im half asleep
 
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see the problem is.. everything is money right? and so many huge corps are going over seas and exploiting cheap foreign labour, taking away jobs from the country.. even the auto industry which is considered very american is now majorly over seas..

and for the jobs that to remain in america.. labour efficency experts are brought in and make huge job cuts to save the managers and leaders of the corps money..

america is importing more then it is producing now.. most nations are.. this interdependance from countries now is huge.. and utlimently it is setting up a lot of major countries for disaster..

not to mention china is coming flying up fast..

but im getting side tracked..

none the less, america is no doubtly not number one.. but neither is canada.. shucks..
 

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South Africa is a huge source of the worlds diamond supply, so chances are, it's not as undeveloped as it may seem. Just because it is part of Africa doesnt mean it's a disease ridden country that rich people get servants from to serve them fine cheezes on a silver plate whenever they snap their fingers.
 
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yeah have you ever seen some of the cities in africa? resemble toronto and ****.. sky scrapers.. its not just some elephant ridden poor tribal waste land
 

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south africa is for the most part NOT developed, one city being developed doesnt make the whole country developed
 

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I'm glad you guys saw through some of the BS too....

I didn't edit this article, i pasted it, which is why i put "stolen from the nation, i need my own sources" Just to clarify.

What bothers me the most the American's "great" education system. This is why I'm investing a bunch of money into private tutors, I'll learn more, and I can have year around school (So i like to learn? is that a bad thing?) and get it done with, while i learn more in the process. We need a more at-home minded government, even with the war, we still have problems that need to be addressed.
 
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