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Was considering getting a 2nd rotor because I'm getting tired of replacing halo shells and batteries.


....This may be a contender for that.
 

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dang i was going to make a thread for it

and holy crap thats a high price

profile looks great though, i only have 2 things i am wondering about

they used an accelerometer for the sensing system, seems a bit odd as markers get smoother and smoother and also i wonder if it will have any issues trying to feed when you are just running around the field

also, the whole logic behind the un-jamming, that the paddles will just pass under a jammed paintball and then it will feed again, im wondering whats stopping the next paddle from just also passing under the paintball?

idk, seems legit if not pricy though.
 

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the video they put out says it holds 204-210 max

Max feeding rate is no longer and issue. If it can feed 12.5 bps successfully, than that's all it needs to do and it's about all anyone will care about.
ya but the rotor even said 200 when it came out and granted its not 200 but i think a lot of people underestimate how much it holds.

I like the design of the spire but with such a small profile im wondering if they are going to get a full 200 or if thats just wishfull thinking

seems like its going to be a while before it actually comes out though, i commend virte on this great marketing move though, they are hyping the crap out of it first rather than just releasing it. if they had just released it a few people would get it and reviews would start coming out for it. the way they are doing it though everyone has to just blindly believe virtue that this thing is the super uber hopper and it gives time for all the little kids to mow lawns and save up money for it in the mean time.
 

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Ok guys I'm Going to say my bit on price just once and bow out...

First this the the costliest product we've ever made. Both to buy/make parts for, assemble, develop, test, even to stock an inventory. With that in mind it costs you the same price we charge for an Oled board. It should actually cost more...not less than it does now. But it's a more universal item, so we're ok with making far less on this than another product even though it has higher costs all around.

Next, you spend 1k on a gun and 200 on a bottle that is relatively low tech and engineering to "feed" air to that gun. I have no idea how from a value stand point that the low tech, low design cost, product of a tank should have a greater value-benefit to the player than a highly engineered product like a hopper. When they both are extremely nesseary as a "feeding" item (one paint the other air). Incidentally, I also think the goggles that protect your eyes should cost at least as much as your tank... But that's another argument and I know I'm not winning fans by telling the truth on that account...

So I've demonstrated to you that both costs are high and the value is also high and at least as high as a tank, if not more...as I'm guessing many of us will just pick up any tank and go play but you wouldn't say the same with a hopper. (not to bash on tanks/regs as there is some innovation there, but not to the same degree as a hopper)

Now let's look at the pricing strategy gurus who know how to manage pricing so well they give free consulting online in their spare time
I wish we could hit 150 with this thing... Our costs don't allow it. The value you get from it (out of your total gear bag equipment value) doesn't justify it.

And finally if we just assume that somehow we'd capture 90percent of sales and make up the difference in margin what do you think competitors will do if they lose 90 percent of sales to us because we are cheaper? They'd lower their price too... And now every manufacture is right back where we are now... Fighting over 30percent market share each and making 50percent less profit. Thanks for the pricing consultation but I'd like a refund

But seriously we still wouldn't get 90pct. of the market anyway at 150.... People love various products for all kinds of reasons and you can't tell me that one person will say "150 is ok but no chance in hell can I spend the equivalent of an extra case of paint on a product I'll use to shoot hundreds of cases of paint."

I hope this doesn't sound harsh and prickish... Not the intent. I'm not writing this to convince anyone to buy a Spire. I'm writing this for the handful of people who still think we can learn from each other on the forums and enjoy some well reasoned arguments back and forth.
wow, be glad virtue doesn't runt he paintball world...they kinda sound like assholes
 

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wow, be glad virtue doesn't runt he paintball world...they kinda sound like assholes
He said at the end that he wasn't trying to sound like a prick which makes up for everything. Its like saying "With all do respect" or "Bless his/her soul but", its automatic get out of jail free phrase. He really should of started with saying "Not to sound like a prick or anything but" though to make it seem more sincere.
 

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there's a reason tanks are priced high. They're put through rigorous inspections, and must meet certifications and whatnot. they may be "low tech" but they're easily the most dangerous at the field. Getting shot in the eye may blind you can cause injuries, but a tank/air station failure had serious potential to kill multiple people. I'm quite willing to pay money for something that has been deemed safe to use.

That guy has a HUGE chip on his shoulder. and FYI, I would NEVER EVER pay $185 for a circuit board, my computer motherboard and graphic cards didnt' even cost that much.
 

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there's a reason tanks are priced high. They're put through rigorous inspections, and must meet certifications and whatnot. they may be "low tech" but they're easily the most dangerous at the field. Getting shot in the eye may blind you can cause injuries, but a tank/air station failure had serious potential to kill multiple people. I'm quite willing to pay money for something that has been deemed safe to use.

That guy has a HUGE chip on his shoulder. and FYI, I would NEVER EVER pay $185 for a circuit board, my computer motherboard and graphic cards didnt' even cost that much.
I hope you caught my sarcasm.

I also agree with your statement on tanks.
 

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holy crap what a jack ass and a moron, I can say "im not doing this to be mean" but that doesnt change the fact that I am punching you in the face

last i checked hoppers do not need DOT approval and testing every 5 years to maintain safety and if a hopper fails i have never seen anyone get injured from that....

and his whole statement about "yes we could price it at $150 but then the competitors would lower their prices" O yes, by all means what a terrible thing that would be for the end user of the hoppers....

he is talking about how important the hopper is in your system and how valuable it is, the hopper was the LAST piece in the system that was caught up to todays standards, electropnumatic markers came along and then HPA and finally hoppers caught up

Who wrote that anyway?
 
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