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Thats what they said about the t100 and it was the same size as a dakota. And as far as competing, Toyotas claim is there pickups, gas effiecient go almsot any where, and smaller than the big trucks. Dont get me wrong toyota is great but the reason they are climing so fast is alot of gas prices. Another thing the only thing that tundra is going to compete with is the F150 the #1 selling truck of all time (truth not belief.) There is no way it can compete with a F250 or an F350. There is a difference in class. I am not dissing toyota I know they are great trucks and cars. But I beleive they should stick to what they are best at is all.
 

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There is no way it can compete with a F250 or an F350. There is a difference in class. I am not dissing toyota I know they are great trucks and cars. But I beleive they should stick to what they are best at is all.
It's easy to compete when the person you are competing with has unrelaible power plants.
 

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It's easy to compete when the person you are competing with has unrelaible power plants.

Ya ok I hate chevs but the 350 is a heck of a motor over dodge, the longest motor to date. The 5.3's leave some desiring but they are getting there. The 5.4's are as solid as any. Now to your zone how many probs has cummins had? Funny thing is FORD owns a majority and dodge will soon see and end. Then what? Dis the cummins b/c it is in a ford? They are already in fords commercial truck class. Unreliable explains dodge............ the 5.4 is an excellent motor, the 5.3 is getting there, dodge revived the hemi, but they had probs in the beggining to.
 

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Spied: 2007 Toyota Tundra Breaks Cover
The gloves are off at Toyota. After a couple of false starts, Toyota now has a laser-lock on the cash cows of Chrysler, GM, and Ford: full-size trucks.
i still think ford will run top dog with their 2 and 350s.
 

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Nothin wrong with being a Toyota fan. I didn't think much of them till i got my RAV4, and although it's a small SUV, and looked down on by most, it's still a hell of a lot of fun, and can do more then Toyota even gives it credit for.

Should be interesting....

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Ya ok I hate chevs but the 350 is a heck of a motor over dodge, the longest motor to date. The 5.3's leave some desiring but they are getting there. The 5.4's are as solid as any. Now to your zone how many probs has cummins had? Funny thing is FORD owns a majority and dodge will soon see and end. Then what? Dis the cummins b/c it is in a ford? They are already in fords commercial truck class. Unreliable explains dodge............ the 5.4 is an excellent motor, the 5.3 is getting there, dodge revived the hemi, but they had probs in the beggining to.
And here we have someone who still believes Ford owns Cummins, and to do in Dodge they'll soon pull out of all contracts. :rolleyes:

And I wasn't complaining about the 5.4L I have one.

I was getting at the level in which Ford seems to have fallen on their ass in the diesel world. Anyone can compete with Ford in the Medium Duty truck line, when you can't produce a reliable product.
 

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dad works in the plant that builds the only tundras in the world right not. (untill the new san antonio plant starts up) so ive known about this for a while.

but the truck is ****ing huge my dads seen it and toyota has actually fired some ppl for taking pictures of it on there phones because they are afraid the pictures will get leaked
 

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By the way, IIRC the F150 is the best selling single truck of all time. The GMC Sierra and Chevy Silverado (the exact same truck) when added together have sold more than the F150. As to Diesels, I did a little comparison that I posted up here not too long ago and the Ford 6.0L is the most underpowered of the three. However, it does get the best mileage on average and cost the least to option (put in). Think about that for a second, what is the reason most people buy a diesel? Gas mileage, longevity, and money saved. If you are saving more money right from the beginning by going with Ford over Dodge/GM I am sure that will attract a lot of the commercial market. Sure, It is a relatively new engine so it has a few bugs that need to be worked out, but once they get it to the point that it is as reliable as the 7.3L it should sell pretty well to the people that normally buy the most trucks/vans.

I wonder if Toyota will put a diesel in their full size truck. They pretty much have to if they want to get the mileage they are known for. But then they have to decide if they want to go for the power or the mileage. I wonder who will build it for them too, Cat maybe? I definately wouldn't buy a gas one if they put an aluminum blocked DOHC engine in it. They are great when you want to make high revving power and get a lot out of a little engine, but is the complete opposite of what one would want in a truck. The cost for parts and labor would be nuts too if anything does break. Toyota could either do a good job and make full sized truck that will sell well, or completely screw it up.

gamergc264,
See if you can find out what they are going to use to power this thing.
 

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As to Diesels, I did a little comparison that I posted up here not too long ago and the Ford 6.0L is the most underpowered of the three. However, it does get the best mileage on average and cost the least to option (put in). Think about that for a second, what is the reason most people buy a diesel? Gas mileage, longevity, and money saved. If you are saving more money right from the beginning by going with Ford over Dodge/GM I am sure that will attract a lot of the commercial market. Sure, It is a relatively new engine so it has a few bugs that need to be worked out, but once they get it to the point that it is as reliable as the 7.3L it should sell pretty well to the people that normally buy the most trucks/vans.
I've never heard of anyone getting good gas mileage on their 6.0

And as for working the bugs out on it. I guess it has to many because Ford is dropping it for an all new 6.4L.
 

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I've never heard of anyone getting good gas mileage on their 6.0

And as for working the bugs out on it. I guess it has to many because Ford is dropping it for an all new 6.4L.
Is the 6.4L just a bored/stroked 6.0, or is it a completely new design?
 

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Is the 6.4L just a bored/stroked 6.0, or is it a completely new design?
Supposedly a complete new design. Using a sequential twin turbo setup etc.

No known power figures yet. But it will obviously be up in the 360/650 range if Ford plans to compete with the latest Duramax.

And Cummins is taking their 5,9 and making it up to a 6.7. But no numbers for that either.
 

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That's news to me, I'm still living in the past though, the newest diesels we have is two 2000 E350's with the 7.3L. Though the oldest is in our 1962 Cat D6, still runs like a champ too. I've played around with all the new ones so far though. (Including Mercedes diesels in their E320 and Dodge Sprinter, which are excellent)
 
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Nothin wrong with being a Toyota fan. I didn't think much of them till i got my RAV4, and although it's a small SUV, and looked down on by most, it's still a hell of a lot of fun, and can do more then Toyota even gives it credit for.

Should be interesting....

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I hate my mom's RAV4 with a passion. Like I really hate it. I hate riding in it, I hate being seen it in. I just plain and simple hate that car/SUV or whatever.
 

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the back looks like it might be coping Dodges super cab thingy they just came out with... .I wonder what it will look like. I sorta like Toyota Pickups. they are probably the only import pickup i'd buy.


Toyota is working on a high-torque turbodiesel to enable the Tundra to go wheel to wheel with Detroit's heavy-duty models.
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And here we have someone who still believes Ford owns Cummins, and to do in Dodge they'll soon pull out of all contracts. :rolleyes:

And I wasn't complaining about the 5.4L I have one.

I was getting at the level in which Ford seems to have fallen on their ass in the diesel world. Anyone can compete with Ford in the Medium Duty truck line, when you can't produce a reliable product.

Not reliable my [email protected]@. The only thing dodge has is the cummins and it is barley more reliable. And to boot this is the first year stock the cummins has out done the stroke. Rather be cummin than strokin? Well one has to be done to get the other that comment is outlandish to say truthfully. The powerstroke is better at highway, the cummins bieng an excellent motor is low level tourqe. It produses at low rpms then loses it's power quickly. The powerstrokes peak isn't on the line of low end tourqe it revs at about 5500 so where does a typical V8 fall. The cummins is like a clydesdale vs a belgium. The clydesdale is stronger the belgium is a little faster. And the duramax is like a wanna be. It's peak is at an unusable level. So I guess it is as is. Ford is better for mileage and high way the cummins has low end power and pulli power. And one more thing the power stroke delivers 570foot pounds the dodge 610 foot pounds. 40 difference with the ford frame, the ford interior and the legacy>? The dodge barely outdoes it, there frames SUCK, there interior is a resemlance off of chrysler. The only thing there is the motor. Also the fords compression is alot higher and you want to talk buildable? It cost alot less to build a 1000hp stroker than a cummins.............
 

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cummins has low end power and pulli power. And one more thing the power stroke delivers 570foot pounds the dodge 610 foot pounds. 40 difference with the ford frame, the ford interior and the legacy>? The dodge barely outdoes it, there frames SUCK, there interior is a resemlance off of chrysler. The only thing there is the motor. Also the fords compression is alot higher and you want to talk buildable? It cost alot less to build a 1000hp stroker than a cummins.............
Well lets see.

Not reliable huh. My dad's truck has been in teh shop 4 times now, the Ford I test drove broke down on the testdrive, and beside the horrible problems I've experienced with the 6.0, I'd hate to have to look on the Diesel stop and look at all the problems from recall and TSBs to find everyone else problems.

And you cant argue Ford isnt struggling. Cummins and Duramax make small minute changes (some a little larger for the D-max) to bump up and compete. Ford is already going for a totally different powertrain within 4yrs :sly:

As for the pulling power, dear god I'd hate to have a diesel truck to pull something with. :dodgy: As for the interior, everyone has the same crappy plastic in the same places. If I wanted a nice interior I wouldn't have bought a truck.

And I'd like to see your 1000hp powerstrokes. If they're so cheap to build and easier to build along with this great reliability. How come the Cummins is always out on top for any Diesel event and some arent even breaking the 800hp mark? How come the fastest powerstroke in the world only runs an 11.5, while a Cummins powered truck breaking a 10 is nothing new?

I mean surely if they're more buildable/reliable/cheaper/everything they would be the better option. :rolleyes:
 
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