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Old April 8th, 2006, 03:16 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Lightbulb A Full Auto Non-Electronic 98c with stock parts?!

Not too long ago (well 5 mins any way) I discovered a small trick that should be able to turn a 98c into a full auto gun with the parts that are already in the gun and no real work needed.

And it is 2 simple things

1. Take out the pin that the sear rests on
2. Extend the sear triper on the triger so the the sear now rests in it



The reason this should work is now the triger will hold the sear down so the bolt and hammer will not be caught on the blow back and will fly forward to cycle again. That will keep hapening till the trigger is released and the sear rises back up and catchs the hammer.

I have not tested this yet but should be able to do so tomarrow.

On a side note I now know why my roommates get scared when ever I Tinker with stuff or be alowed lots of caffine when doing so


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Old April 8th, 2006, 08:59 AM   #2 (permalink)
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pm when u test that out and tell me the results, seems interesting
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Old April 8th, 2006, 09:57 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Its gonna cycle way faster than your hopper can feed. Basically its gonna turn into a paint blender. We've been down this road a thousand times. If you do this youre gonna need a qloader and lots of prayers.
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Old April 8th, 2006, 01:10 PM   #4 (permalink)
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pm when u test that out and tell me the results, seems interesting
Why not just post it here

26 BPS A bit slower then expected but with in the range of a few hoppers but a whole Q-Loader pod would be gone in less then 3.8 Sec



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One thing i did notice was ther was a good bit of vibration mostly from the hammer flying back and forth
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Its gonna cycle way faster than your hopper can feed. Basically its gonna turn into a paint blender. We've been down this road a thousand times. If you do this youre gonna need a qloader and lots of prayers.
But what if one were to use a much stiffer spring?
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But what if one were to use a much stiffer spring?

That would make it cycle faster or sputer


A softer spring would mean that it takes less force to return the hammer but it also comes forward at a slower rate
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In that pic can you specify which pin you took out?
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In that pic can you specify which pin you took out?
i did in the post text
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1. Take out the pin that the sear rests on
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That would make it cycle faster or sputer


A softer spring would mean that it takes less force to return the hammer but it also comes forward at a slower rate
alright - so its it possible to use a combination of soft springs to significantly slow the cycling down to a feedable rate like 12-16bps?
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Bejeezus, mort, that thing shoots fast.
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Would that work on an A-5?
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Old April 8th, 2006, 04:57 PM   #12 (permalink)
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alright - so its it possible to use a combination of soft springs to significantly slow the cycling down to a feedable rate like 12-16bps?
It may be possable I am still experimenting with it a little

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Would that work on an A-5?
Not sure I would have to sit down with one to see if it can be done
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I don't think it will work on an A5, the trigger frame, springs, and all that jazz are totally different.


{e} And I think the A5 uses compression springs...and if that's the case, we still might be able to do something with it.
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thats awesome. full auto (and crazy fast) 98c with no money spent.
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Old April 8th, 2006, 10:55 PM   #15 (permalink)
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that is sick, cool find...you should mess with a SpyderXtra and figure out a way to make it full auto ?
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Its gonna cycle way faster than your hopper can feed. Basically its gonna turn into a paint blender. We've been down this road a thousand times. If you do this youre gonna need a qloader and lots of prayers.
so if i did that on my 98c would i be ok?...would the cyclone feeder handle it well? and is that ok for your gun? wouldn't it wear the crap out of your bolt?
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the cyclone will not keep up with 26 bps.
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I just am waiting for Mortis' to come back and tell us he is using two springs to slow cycling down to 16BPS.

Please come back, Mortis.
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I just am waiting for Mortis' to come back and tell us he is using two springs to slow cycling down to 16BPS.

Please come back, Mortis.
Sorry was out playing with my Ion cause it felt some what abandond


But while I was playing I got an idea to lower the rate it cycles with out replacing the drivespring

And it is to lower the pressure and/or get creative with a rear velocity adjuster.I am kinda leaning more to the gettting creative part.
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Sorry was out playing with my Ion cause it felt some what abandond


But while I was playing I got an idea to lower the rate it cycles with out replacing the drivespring

And it is to lower the pressure and/or get creative with a rear velocity adjuster.I am kinda leaning more to the gettting creative part.
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Old April 9th, 2006, 08:12 PM   #21 (permalink)
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the cyclone will not keep up with 26 bps.
a guy at the pro shop told me that the cyclone feeder is the fastest loader out there...and he wasn't trying to get me to buy it...i got it online
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a guy at the pro shop told me that the cyclone feeder is the fastest loader out there
You should tell the shop manager to quit hiring n00bs.
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yeah ive heard of this before, but it had a nail involved, cant remember where, but if you could slow it down that much, wouldnt velocity be affected?
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I don't think so. I mean, you're just messing with Trigger springs, not velocity springs.

And WhiteLightning, it's the fastest STOCK hopper. It's definately NOT the fastest hopper in general. Cyclone is ment for 17 BPS, give or take.
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Im doing this to my 98 as i type, results will be posted soon.


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Hmmmm... mine only shoots 3 shots then doesnt recock, almost like im out of air, but im not, also the trigger pull got hella hard, any idea on why it isnt working for me?
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