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Old January 27th, 2007, 02:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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question about a5

i have an a5 with the new e-grip(w.a.s. board) and the vortex mod, and i was wondering what upgrades i could put into my gun to make it shoot faster or better.
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Old January 27th, 2007, 02:45 PM   #2 (permalink)
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not sure, but i think the cyclone is limited to like 16 bps, so the first thing would be to ditch that and get a kit to put an actual hopper on there, like a egg, revvy, halo, ricochet, etc

other than that, im not as good with a5's as 98s, so maybe someone else knows another thing you can do

or buy a better gun, proto has 07 rails for $399 (god thats starting to sound repetative, but its such a good price, for a proto)
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Old January 27th, 2007, 02:53 PM   #3 (permalink)
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the vortex mod brings the cyclone to 30bps.
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Old January 28th, 2007, 05:44 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Upgrade to HPA if you are using C02. You won't have a problem with shoot down as the C02 tanks get colder the faster you dump C02 out of them.
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Old January 28th, 2007, 10:11 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Or get an expantion chamber. Also do the pen spring mod on the trigger.
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Old January 29th, 2007, 06:50 PM   #6 (permalink)
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what is the pen spring mod and what does it do?
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Old January 29th, 2007, 08:42 PM   #7 (permalink)
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you take a clicky pen, take out the spring, cut it in half, and replace the trigger spring with that light spring


model98.org has a mods section, lots of pics and mods

check it out
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Old January 29th, 2007, 09:57 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Pen spring mod doesnt do anything.

Get HPA and maybe a barrel. If you think you will stick with your A-5 for awhile then get a barrel kit, if not just buy a CP or something similar. No use spending
125+ on a kit when you will get a better gun in a few months.

Also, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe your gun is still limited to 14 BPS. Even with E-grip its still just a blowback and they cant go higher than 14.

Just upgrade to a fully electro-pnuematic gun.
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Old January 29th, 2007, 10:22 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Pen spring mod doesnt do anything.

Get HPA and maybe a barrel. If you think you will stick with your A-5 for awhile then get a barrel kit, if not just buy a CP or something similar. No use spending
125+ on a kit when you will get a better gun in a few months.

Also, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe your gun is still limited to 14 BPS. Even with E-grip its still just a blowback and they cant go higher than 14.

Just upgrade to a fully electro-pnuematic gun.
The pen spring mod changes the trigger so much. It'll be like a whole new trigger. Before i got the perfect spring for myself, I could only hit maybe 8-10bps with the double trigger, but once I got the spring in there 12bps in semi wiht no problem.

Also blow-backs can hit near 20bps. I've seen it on a chrono with my 98 on full auto.
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Old January 29th, 2007, 10:36 PM   #10 (permalink)
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^^^^^Full of sh**

Watch this animation; it shows a typical blowback marker.
http://www.zdspb.com/media/tech/animations/spyder.gif

As you can see when you pull the trigger you trip the sear. Now most of the force needed to pull the trigger is from the sear resting on the trigger, not the spring.

With the pen spring mod your trigger pull feels lighter without cocking the gun, but upon actually firing the gun the sear applies a downward force on the trigger. A lighter sear spring on the other hand may allow for a lighter trigger pull.

And there is no way in he** you got a blowback going that fast.
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Old January 29th, 2007, 11:23 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Blowbacks have one of the highest cyclic rates of all markers made to date.
There are no air rams, no small passages, no solenoid valves, and so forth.

Now, sure...you can't usually pull the trigger fast. But the gun will cycle fast enough that it will be impossible to feed it paint. One full-auto modded or worse, with a old or failing sear, will be well above 20 cycles per second. Probably closer to 40.

Pen spring mod- Meh...Most of the draw weight is from tripping the actual sear. Of course reducing the trigger reset spring never hurt anything.

Is this mod possible on the A5 though? I thought it was for old 98C trigger styles where the spring compresses, I think the A5 stretches it.
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Old January 30th, 2007, 01:15 AM   #12 (permalink)
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^^^^^Full of sh**

Watch this animation; it shows a typical blowback marker.
http://www.zdspb.com/media/tech/animations/spyder.gif

As you can see when you pull the trigger you trip the sear. Now most of the force needed to pull the trigger is from the sear resting on the trigger, not the spring.

With the pen spring mod your trigger pull feels lighter without cocking the gun, but upon actually firing the gun the sear applies a downward force on the trigger. A lighter sear spring on the other hand may allow for a lighter trigger pull.

And there is no way in he** you got a blowback going that fast.
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I hit 18 bps using CO2 and a stock RT and 26 cps in with a Full auto mod.


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Is this mod possible on the A5 though? I thought it was for old 98C trigger styles where the spring compresses, I think the A5 stretches it.
Reversed it there. Old 98s stretched the spring, new 98s & A-5s compress the spring



But back to the post topic. There are a few MODs that help with the A-5
, Polishing internals, QEVing the cyclone, Contouring the valve, Flashing the Board (Reprogram the board with EPROM tool) , and Lightening the hammer. Mechanical upgrades would be the installation of a Reg, A barrel kit.

If i get the chance I might be able to figure our a way to install a set of beam break eyes in a Tippmann
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Old January 30th, 2007, 12:05 PM   #13 (permalink)
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^^^^^Full of sh**

Watch this animation; it shows a typical blowback marker.
http://www.zdspb.com/media/tech/animations/spyder.gif

As you can see when you pull the trigger you trip the sear. Now most of the force needed to pull the trigger is from the sear resting on the trigger, not the spring.

With the pen spring mod your trigger pull feels lighter without cocking the gun, but upon actually firing the gun the sear applies a downward force on the trigger. A lighter sear spring on the other hand may allow for a lighter trigger pull.

And there is no way in he** you got a blowback going that fast.
wow just wow. Your eyes must be brown.

In an e-grip the noid (well actually a rod attached to the noid) is tripping the sear not the trigger. This means that a lighter trigger pull can make a huge difference. Your talking about a mech trigger, while the gun we are talking about has the WAS board e-grip. You should really pay more attention so you don't look like a jackass.

Also a lighter sear spring is a horrible idea. Not only will it wreak your internals (sear and rear bolt). The marker will sometimes double fire or go into full auto even because the sear doesn't have enough upward pressure to stop the rear bolt from going forward again.

And blow-backs can hit 20bps. Just so you know.
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Old January 30th, 2007, 02:41 PM   #14 (permalink)
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got any links to good sites with these mods on them?
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Old January 30th, 2007, 09:34 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I was wrong I admit it. Sorry. I merely thought he meant he got his 98 shooting that fast without the full auto mod(I read the thread awhile ago.)

I thought electronic sear trippers couldnt go past 14.

Pen Spring mod really won't do anything for ya though as already stated. Won't hurt anything, but it won't really help it either.
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Old January 30th, 2007, 10:44 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Well alright, it takes ballz to say you where wrong, i'll give you that.
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Old January 31st, 2007, 01:03 AM   #17 (permalink)
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got any links to good sites with these mods on them?
There's some in the Tippmann Super Sticky. There's more scattered around on various Tippmann specific internet forums. I'd link you but I'm not sure which ones are still around.

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I thought electronic sear trippers couldnt go past 14.
Actually...Kinda true.

I haven't seen one yet that didnt have the board capped at 13 or 14. Not including aftermarket boards. The design is good for it though.
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Old January 31st, 2007, 09:41 AM   #18 (permalink)
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WAS board can be capped at a maximum of 30 bps. The gun can't keep up to it, but the stock WAS board can go that fast.
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Old January 31st, 2007, 02:15 PM   #19 (permalink)
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i have my grip set at 18bps and the gun keeps up with it. still wondering, what would be the best upgrade to do next that might improve my gun?
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HPA if your running CO2. You will notice a definent change. It's a little pricey, but well worth it. A new barrel wouldnt be a bad idea either.
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Double trigger, of course if you don't have it yet.

HPA is a great upgrade for any gun, but if it is to expensive and you want to stay with CO2 than an Expantion chamber would be a good idea.
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